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What Happens When You Send a Zero-Day to a Bank?

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Re: What Happens When You Send a Zero-Day to a Bank?

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There needs to exist a legal entity/non-profit or company that acts as a shield and/or escrow for these kinds of situations. Basically, as a researcher you can have them deal with the company/organization for you, including dealing with any threats, collecting any bounties due, and such. The company could have domain expertise of the industry, laws, and generally be a force against these companies -- the analogy woul…

There was a guy who got thrown in prison for bringing a vulnerability to the attention of AT&T. He was thrown in solitary confinement for over a year. Then his sentence got vacated. What did he do as soon as he was released from prison? He went on CNBC to argue that independent security researchers should start a hedge fund that short sells the stocks of companies affected by vulnerabilities. https://youtu.be/jxUWRRD…

Honestly, that guy went to jail for being an asshole more than anything else. If at any point he had attempted to curry favor or at least neutrality, the outcome likely would have been far different.

As it stands, literally everyone who would have been in a position to be reasonable was someone he'd actively worked at pissing off. Not in the sense of someone he'd pissed off in the past, but as someone he was actively pissing off in conjunction with this issue. The moral of his story is that there's room for aggressive incident reporting, but not if one is going to be an insufferable jerk about it.

Re: What Happens When You Send a Zero-Day to a Bank?

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About a month ago I noticed that my bank had a vulnerability - I could access the details and photos of every remotely deposited check. I sent them an email, they took the feature offline in about 2 hours. No bug bounty but oh well.

which bank?

It was a credit union, not one of the massive ones, but beyond that I'd rather not say.

Re: What Happens When You Send a Zero-Day to a Bank?

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I was thinking of exactly this as I read the article. In a situation like this I'd probably directly ping taviso or someone else from the Google Project Zero team. Their contact information (email, G+, twitter (DM)) is not impossible to get at. From there, I could get advice about next steps (the Project Zero team are going to know a few people) or maybe they could run with it themselves (depending on the bug; I don'…

Thank you, going forward this looks like a great start. And I have always had great experience reaching directly to Googlers when needing connections or technical advice.

> I have always had great experience reaching directly to Googlers when needing connections or technical advice.

Mind sharing how you've achieved this? I haven't had the same level of success, with my couple of attempts (thus far) to try to resolve various issues falling flat.

Re: What Happens When You Send a Zero-Day to a Bank?

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> They are still here to protect americans That may be the charter of the the organization. But the individual people running the FBI goals are to 1) be reappointed / not get fired 2) continually expand their budget / power. Given US politics 1&2 are not always congruent esp in short term with "protecting americans".

Have you ever interacted with law enforcement on any professional basis? They aren't like that at all.

1) yes, but with the "troops" and lower level managers.

2) the Director of the FBI (and other other high level managers) is much more of a political bureaucrat than they are a LEO.

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