> “Shodan has currently indexed more than 2 million IPs running a public SMB service on port 445. ..." OK, I understand SMB on LAN. But SMB on the Internet? Is that likely accidental?
Or a stupid way to make your data available on the go.
Thousands of computers now compromised with leaked NSA tools, researchers say
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Re: Thousands of computers now compromised with leaked NSA tools, researchers say
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Look at Snowden's actual documents. It shows the data is actually collected by the FBI's Data Intercept Technology Unit ( https://i.imgur.com/setOJIm.jpg ), which is the organization within the FBI that handles electronic wiretaps . The FBI requests data for specific accounts from these companies using FISA warrants and NSLs, but only the data requested via FISA (i.e., for foreigners) are allowed into the NSA's syste…
I never denied the FBI's role in this? I never said Room 641A was a mass wiretapping system? Just that it was one example of many such wiretapping initiatives? I also provided citations showing that this is more than just targeting specific accounts? You're starting to sound like a shill, that won't do any good if you're trying to convince people of your narrative.
The point is that neither is an example of mass wiretapping, as Snowden's documents showed. What exactly do you think is targeting more than just specific accounts? Be specific.
If we take the upper bounds from the transparency reports from the Internet companies, we can estimate that the volume of data from PRISM is so small that you could fit it on a single rack, and the Utah datacenter has nothing to do with it.
You'll find that I'm a shill on the JFK assassination, chemtrails, mind control rays, and every other conspiracy theory that lacks evidence and has substantial evidence to the contrary.
Re: Thousands of computers now compromised with leaked NSA tools, researchers say
#113Just thousands? I think that is a few orders of magnitude shy...
Re: Thousands of computers now compromised with leaked NSA tools, researchers say
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The way you're framing it presumes SIGINT is in charge. You fundamentally misunderstood my post, whiis causing you to reach strange conclusions. Neither is "in charge." They are two separate entities with separate missions. Some of the systems developed and documented by IA make the job of SIGINT difficult if our adversaries implement them as well. How would spying from the air have prevented Iran from developing i…
Well, I said the spying mission of NSA should not override the security of the U.S., and pointed to the contrast between the old sometimes-improvement of crypto standards and the new backdooring of them. You answered that my "suggestion that SIGINT should handicap itself is ludicrous on its face." I don't care if the NSA's SIGINT department does not value our information security; we, the citizens, do. Their narrow d…
> The NSA as a whole used to better approximate that interest, back sometime in the 20th century, even if very imperfectly (see Bamford's history).
There is no evidence that anything has changed.
> Iran with nukes seems to me a lesser threat to us than an uncontrolled U.S. government.
Who is suggesting that the government should be uncontrolled? Iran with nukes is a far greater threat than the NSA with 0-days, which is what we're discussing.
Re: Thousands of computers now compromised with leaked NSA tools, researchers say
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
I never denied the FBI's role in this? I never said Room 641A was a mass wiretapping system? Just that it was one example of many such wiretapping initiatives? I also provided citations showing that this is more than just targeting specific accounts? You're starting to sound like a shill, that won't do any good if you're trying to convince people of your narrative.
The point is that neither is an example of mass wiretapping, as Snowden's documents showed. What exactly do you think is targeting more than just specific accounts? Be specific. If we take the upper bounds from the transparency reports from the Internet companies, we can estimate that the volume of data from PRISM is so small that you could fit it on a single rack, and the Utah datacenter has nothing to do with it. Y…
>> Documents indicate that PRISM is "the number one source of raw intelligence used for NSA analytic reports"
PRISM isn't just some negligible thing to be brushed off. And of course it isn't the only thing they're doing over in Utah. It's one of many sources that all come together at places like this for data analysis. But it's the "big deal" everyone is talking about so it is very relevant to the discussion.
Remember, if there is one there is more. We don't need a comprehensive list of every data center and chokepoint that is under surveillance to understand how prevalent it is based on known data.
Example of mass surveillance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON#Confirmation_of_ECHELO...
Example of mass surveillance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DISHFIRE#Scope_of_surveillance
Example of mass surveillance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MYSTIC_(surveillance_program)#...
Do I need to give you more or can you take it from here? Do you need more proof than the wiretapping of half a dozen countries' ENTIRE phone calls?
Please do not chalk this up to "conspiracy theory". That is damaging and misleading. You are attempting to group this together with more fringe theories in order to discredit it. Logical fallacy. If you want to continue this discussion I ask that you play fairly and not revert to rhetoric and distraction.
Re: Thousands of computers now compromised with leaked NSA tools, researchers say
#116It would be interesting (although I expect impossible) to figure out how many of those thousands were compromised by the NSA vs those compromised by people who got the tools through the leak. It was nice that Microsoft had already fixed a bunch of them (almost like they were told ahead of time they were coming). It is also interesting to read the outrage about the tools and the presentations on how to use them. If yo…
> Why should cyber war be any different? Because we aren't talking about bombs. We are talking about security. We are concerned about "nuclear proliferation". Why aren't we concerned about the proliferation of these tools? It takes material to make nuclear weapons (obviously nuclear weapons are much more concerning, that isn't my point), but it only takes instructions to create and use security exploits. In this scen…
We are talking about both because they are the one and the same.
I was talking about aggression against an enemy. Bombs, sanctions, cyber war fare. All in service to making the 'other guy' pay the price. In the context of cyber warfare getting rid of your own security exploits and creating them for stuff the 'other guy' uses.
But that gets right to the essence of how this is different. The NSA sought to use a superior knowledge of exploits available in the software their enemies used against the enemy, even tho the same tools can be used on their friends. That is no different than picking up the weapon of an enemy soldier and using it against his own squad mates. Or having the enemy pick up your weapon and use it against your squad mates.
Computers and networks are now (and arguably always have been) weapons of war. Just as cars and the people walking into markets wearing vests full of semtex are. And that is a sad truth because it means becoming a casualty can happen anywhere without warning. And that seems to be what Phase III will be about.
Re: Thousands of computers now compromised with leaked NSA tools, researchers say
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
The point is that neither is an example of mass wiretapping, as Snowden's documents showed. What exactly do you think is targeting more than just specific accounts? Be specific. If we take the upper bounds from the transparency reports from the Internet companies, we can estimate that the volume of data from PRISM is so small that you could fit it on a single rack, and the Utah datacenter has nothing to do with it. Y…
>> Documents indicate that PRISM is "the number one source of raw intelligence used for NSA analytic reports" PRISM isn't just some negligible thing to be brushed off. And of course it isn't the only thing they're doing over in Utah. It's one of many sources that all come together at places like this for data analysis. But it's the "big deal" everyone is talking about so it is very relevant to the discussion. Remembe…
> Documents indicate that PRISM is "the number one source of raw intelligence used for NSA analytic reports"
That's because it contains wiretapping data of specific highly valuable targets. Nowhere in this sentence does it say that it contains mass surveillance because Snowden's documents and the government have shown it does not.
I never said that the NSA doesn't engage in mass surveillance, only that it doesn't do mass wiretapping through Verizon and AT&T or through the Internet companies, as you wrongly believed PRISM did. The reason that distinction matters is that the NSA absolutely should gobble up all communications in a war zone or other foreign area threatening national security. That's what it's there for. Gobbling up and processing domestic communications as your claimed mass wiretapping on Verizon or Google would do is outside the scope of the intelligence agencies, and there remains no evidence that they do that despite multiple leaks. Any claim otherwise is conspiracy theory by definition.
Re: Thousands of computers now compromised with leaked NSA tools, researchers say
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> Documents indicate that PRISM is "the number one source of raw intelligence used for NSA analytic reports" PRISM isn't just some negligible thing to be brushed off. And of course it isn't the only thing they're doing over in Utah. It's one of many sources that all come together at places like this for data analysis. But it's the "big deal" everyone is talking about so it is very relevant to the discussion. Remembe…
> Documents indicate that PRISM is "the number one source of raw intelligence used for NSA analytic reports" That's because it contains wiretapping data of specific highly valuable targets. Nowhere in this sentence does it say that it contains mass surveillance because Snowden's documents and the government have shown it does not. I never said that the NSA doesn't engage in mass surveillance, only that it doesn't do…
I never said PRISM was the same program that engaged in mass surveillance.
I also never mentioned Google. Your arguments keep starting off by strawmanning my own.
But sure let's talk about Google. You really think Schmidt and friends are clean on this? He is a globalist authoritarian lap dog.
https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/
And you're also fundamentally confused about something. See, the NSA does not need direct access to all of this data. They allow/encourage/force various companies to comply with certain data collection and retention practices, and tap into this data when necessary. Why? So that people like you can claim they are not directly surveying their citizens.
All of the data still exists, and is accessed when needed.
It's like if my friend spied on you and reported back to me whenever I asked, but then I come out and say, "Hey mister, I'm not spying on you. I only ask my friend about things necessary to my investigation. If you're being a good dog then this shouldn't even bother you."
Re: Thousands of computers now compromised with leaked NSA tools, researchers say
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Documents indicate that PRISM is "the number one source of raw intelligence used for NSA analytic reports" That's because it contains wiretapping data of specific highly valuable targets. Nowhere in this sentence does it say that it contains mass surveillance because Snowden's documents and the government have shown it does not. I never said that the NSA doesn't engage in mass surveillance, only that it doesn't do…
I never said PRISM was the same program that engaged in mass surveillance. I also never mentioned Google. Your arguments keep starting off by strawmanning my own. But sure let's talk about Google. You really think Schmidt and friends are clean on this? He is a globalist authoritarian lap dog. https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/ And you're also fundamentally confused about something. See, the NSA does n…
> I never said PRISM was the same program that engaged in mass surveillance.
You started off by saying you knew about PRISM because the NSA is building a large datacenter in Utah just to hold PRISM's data.
> I also never mentioned Google.
I never claimed you did. You claimed that PRISM ingested mass wiretapping data. That data would come from Google and other Internet companies according to the documents. My point was that your belief that it is illegally gobbling up all the communications done on Google's and other Internet companies' communications products is baseless.
Re: Thousands of computers now compromised with leaked NSA tools, researchers say
#120I would prefer to be spied by China. So that if they devolop a new operating system for mobiles I would use that.