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Re: Amazon's Leadership Principles

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So how much do they pay for this kind of job? And how much latitude are you given as a "leader"? Is it all talk or are they serious about this? I don't really care if I can buy a private jet but I will put in a lot of hours if that means I get to live a life never caring about money (> 200k a year).

I've seen this said before in other companies ("we want leaders") but when it's time to put some resources into X or Y project, things slow down really fast...

Re: Amazon's Leadership Principles

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Leaders are willing to take a 100x salary compared to their line employees because they know they can hustle hard enough to live up to the expectations. I'm very excited to see the helmet cam video of Jeff Bezos serving a customary 8-10-12-14 hour shift at the Dallas Amazon Fulfillment Center and walk out with a smile. Can you do what you ask of others? That's leadership. No, really. Principles not tested in the fire…

What video are you referring to?

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Re: Amazon's Leadership Principles

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Leaders are willing to take a 100x salary compared to their line employees because they know they can hustle hard enough to live up to the expectations. I'm very excited to see the helmet cam video of Jeff Bezos serving a customary 8-10-12-14 hour shift at the Dallas Amazon Fulfillment Center and walk out with a smile. Can you do what you ask of others? That's leadership. No, really. Principles not tested in the fire…

Ill smile a whole 14 hour shift at some warehouse if im a billionaire who only does this once or twice for pr.

Re: Amazon's Leadership Principles

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work for Amazon, and my management line all the way up to Jeff is sensible, comprehensible, and human; I have good work-life balance and am able to offer that to my reports; my compensation is fair; and I would escalate immediately if I ever saw anyone abused, mistreated, or cheated. Amazon's a big company and I'm sure there's terrible managers out there and true harrowing stories. And there are problems, here and…

Having worked in AWS Data Centres in Australia and India, I'm curious to know why you think the average DC technician leaves after 9 months? Gotta love a work-life balance that forces you to work weekends and public holidays! The culture _IS_ the issue at Amazon - you either learn to put up with the BS metrics your managers push down your throat or you leave for somewhere that treats you like a human being.

I'm being a touch quarrelsome, but wouldn't a data center job often inherently require working on weekends and holidays? Curious here about the nature of data center jobs in general and in what specific ways Amazon would be worse than normal (if any).

Re: Amazon's Leadership Principles

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Leaders are willing to take a 100x salary compared to their line employees because they know they can hustle hard enough to live up to the expectations. I'm very excited to see the helmet cam video of Jeff Bezos serving a customary 8-10-12-14 hour shift at the Dallas Amazon Fulfillment Center and walk out with a smile. Can you do what you ask of others? That's leadership. No, really. Principles not tested in the fire…

Ill smile a whole 14 hour shift at some warehouse if im a billionaire who only does this once or twice for pr.

Yea, the video you want to see is a month in when he really should be taking a sick day, but San Bernardino's hot as shit and he can barely afford to keep the AC on, and his wife's eight months pregnant so maintaining health insurance is sorta important. That's Bias for Action!

Re: Amazon's Leadership Principles

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The emphasis on "customer obsession" is clearly working, since it has topped the polls for best corporate reputation two years in a row. http://www.geekwire.com/2017/amazon-tops-harris-poll-corpora...

I work for Amazon, and I personally am a huge fan of the "LPs" . I consistently find myself mentally consulting them when I'm not sure what to do in a particular situation. I also think it really helps to work in an environment where everyone shares the same core values.

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post #21

So how much do they pay for this kind of job? And how much latitude are you given as a "leader"? Is it all talk or are they serious about this? I don't really care if I can buy a private jet but I will put in a lot of hours if that means I get to live a life never caring about money (> 200k a year). I've seen this said before in other companies ("we want leaders") but when it's time to put some resources into X or Y…

Amazon tries to push Leadership Principles into every part of at least their corporate world. It's supposed to drive decision making for basically everyone, brand new engineers on up (I don't know if they push them lower down the stack). What I'm getting at is it's not solely for "leaders" as in high level folks.

> live a life never caring about money (> 200k a year)

I'm in my 3rd year as an engineer here (and of my career). Their target for me is 175k as a new SDE II, but I'm already well above that considering AMZN growth. If we're talking calendar year, as long as AMZN doesn't take a dive, next year I'm easily hitting 200k (yes, I realize how crappy the reliance on RSUs is). I'll probably hit 200k as an actual target next year. So, your number isn't difficult to reach, which is both great and ridiculous.

Re: Amazon's Leadership Principles

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post #21

So how much do they pay for this kind of job? And how much latitude are you given as a "leader"? Is it all talk or are they serious about this? I don't really care if I can buy a private jet but I will put in a lot of hours if that means I get to live a life never caring about money (> 200k a year). I've seen this said before in other companies ("we want leaders") but when it's time to put some resources into X or Y…

Amazon employee here. Just to clarify these leadership principles are intended to apply to everyone at Amazon, not just those that are in "lead" positions, but if you are applying them a lot you are much more likely to end up in a senior or manager position. These principles are also a significant part of both the initial hiring process and the post hire advancement within Amazon.

Pay obviously varies but I've found it to be competitive with what I've been offered by other large tech companies, and better than almost all startups I've talked to, especially when you factor in that compensation in Amazon stock is actually worth a lot of money, while startup stock is a gamble with pretty bad odds.

Re: Amazon's Leadership Principles

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1. Screw 2. Every last employee 3. Out of their last dime 4. Deny 5. Lie 6. Deny the lying 7. Work them to death 8. As soon as it takes the slightest toll on them, fire them 9. Their suppliers too 10. And may God help delivery services 11. Deny 12. Lie about that too 13. Deny lying about it, of course 14. Don't even profit from it (except personally if you're Jeff Bezos, of course, who somehow became a billionaire cr…

Come on dude, this is just embarrassing. Amazon has created very real value for a wide variety of customers and for shareholders. Off the top of my head: - Amazon online shopping - AWS - Kindle e-reader - Alexa I do not work for Amazon, but I do live in Seattle and see thousands of Amazon employees walking around SLU at lunch time. They generally appear happy. Im sure there's terrible exceptions amongst the many thou…

I worked there for a couple years, and I still live in Seattle.

If possible, I will not work there again.

It was not a bad place, but it was also not a good place. It took leaving (which I almost didn't do) to realize that second part. That's largely why I won't go back. There's a strong commitment within the company to the idea that you're part of something bigger, and that being part of that makes sacrificing comp, nights, weekends, and innumerable other things worth it. It was deeply satisfying in a local extrema sort of way.

Re: Amazon's Leadership Principles

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post #21

So how much do they pay for this kind of job? And how much latitude are you given as a "leader"? Is it all talk or are they serious about this? I don't really care if I can buy a private jet but I will put in a lot of hours if that means I get to live a life never caring about money (> 200k a year). I've seen this said before in other companies ("we want leaders") but when it's time to put some resources into X or Y…

Amazon employee here. Just to clarify these leadership principles are intended to apply to everyone at Amazon, not just those that are in "lead" positions, but if you are applying them a lot you are much more likely to end up in a senior or manager position. These principles are also a significant part of both the initial hiring process and the post hire advancement within Amazon. Pay obviously varies but I've found…

As a former Amazon intern, the impression I got is that "every" role is supposed to be a "leadership" role. It makes sense when you realize that they are hiring/growing so fast, they need to (a) transmit culture quickly & efficiently and (b) be able to arbitrarily put people in "management" positions org-chart-wise.

For intern/new grads, Amazon is less competitive than similar sized companies (Google/Facebook/Microsoft). Microsoft is also based in Seattle so this isn't just about differences in taxes/cost of living.

The vesting is also backweighted so that they don't lose too much stock from people who leave after less than a couple years.

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