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Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Post by amyjess »

tedmiston wrote: post #241
idop wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> he might drive for 14-15 hours in one day This, by the way, is probably illegal, as it is extremely dangerous. If I'm taking a taxi, I'd like to know my driver is not on the brink of exhaustion.

It might be unsafe but it's not illegal. It looks like Uber recently sidestepped it with agreeing that drivers not work more than 12 "consecutive" hours. Does a 15-min food break make two 8 blocks "non-consecutive"? I hope not. http://www.politico.com/states/new-york/city-hall/story/2016...

Some states do indeed have drowsy driving laws: http://www.ncsl.org/research/transportation/summaries-of-cur...

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Post by karlkatzke »

newsat13 wrote: post #389
karlkatzke wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked for a company that nearly acquired unroll.me. At the time, which was over three years ago, they had kept a copy of every single email of yours that you sent or received while a part of their service. Those emails were kept in a series of poorly secured S3 buckets. A large part of Slice buying unroll.me was for access to those email archives. Specifically, they wanted to look for keyword trends and for receip…

Just so you know, you have been quotes on gruber's article. Be careful about what you say on careful forum especially since your profile gives your contact information.

Thanks. I'll let it stand for now. I haven't been a part of that company for several years now, and did not have any legal agreements or first party relationship with either of the companies named above, and since the deal closed since with Slice it would be difficult for anyone to allege damages.

On top of that, it should be very clear that everything I said is hearsay at best. If I had known the attention this would receive, I would have been clearer about it.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

#403

Post by BoiledCabbage »

castle-bravo wrote: post #391
BoiledCabbage wrote: post #381

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It boils down to this: Capitalism is not the goal of society, it is a tool. Somewhere in the past few decades we've conflated the two - and a larger portion of our population believe that Capitalism is the goal. It's not, it's a way to achieve our goals. It is efficient, it is effective, it will always have little to no morals and consolidate in the hands of the few. That is not a judgement of the system it is an ass…

As sympathetic as I am to anti-capitalist rabble-rousing, your comment comes off as a canned micro-rant which doesn't relate in any substantial way to the parent.

Your comment is unnecessarily dismissive and inaccurate.

I'll avoid getting into an internet argument, and just leave this quote here.

> tech has become a cesspool of slimy founders + and unbridled capitalism - this needs to stop for the greater good

This was the thread the comment was posted in and it's entirely the topic of discussion.

In the future try to choose more productive ways of describing people's views and engaging in discussion than as 'rabble-rousing' 'rants'.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Post by vermontdevil »

areyousure wrote: post #388
vermontdevil wrote: post #332

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Speak for yourself. Many deaf and deaf/blind people absolutely detest the taxi industry. They treat us like shit. Over and over. I've been kicked out of cabs more than once when the driver learned I'm deaf and I would give them the address of my destination on paper. Got kicked out because I was signing with my friend in the back. Etc.

Pardon my ignorance of perhaps a common deaf experience, but why would a driver care whether you were deaf? (Naively, it seems like it'd be a benefit.)

Dunno. Never got an answer. Maybe the driver thought we are gangbangers, flying hands too scary, can't read my written address, etc etc. not one ever was able to explain why.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Post by karlkatzke »

partisan wrote: post #383
karlkatzke wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked for a company that nearly acquired unroll.me. At the time, which was over three years ago, they had kept a copy of every single email of yours that you sent or received while a part of their service. Those emails were kept in a series of poorly secured S3 buckets. A large part of Slice buying unroll.me was for access to those email archives. Specifically, they wanted to look for keyword trends and for receip…

You might have been and possibly still are under an NDA from the acquisition process. I'm not sure it is worthwhile detailing all of this in a public forum.

Thanks. I'll let it stand for now. I haven't been a part of that company for several years now, and did not have any legal agreements or first party relationship with either of the companies named above, and since the deal closed since with Slice it would be difficult for anyone to allege damages.

I should also be clear that everything I said is hearsay. I wasn't personally privy to the terms of the deal or involved in due diligence, which is why I am fairly sure that I am not under NDA from unroll.me. (My former employer may be a different situation, but I'm pretty confident that none of the information disclosed above is or was a trade secret at this point.)

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Post by jacquesm »

karlkatzke wrote: post #313
cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #152

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Wow I think this unroll.me thing is the real scandal here. I am an unroll.me user, but had no idea they sell user data to companies this way. Their whole value proposition is to help people control their own privacy and now I kind of feel betrayed..

I worked for a company that nearly acquired unroll.me. At the time, which was over three years ago, they had kept a copy of every single email of yours that you sent or received while a part of their service. Those emails were kept in a series of poorly secured S3 buckets. A large part of Slice buying unroll.me was for access to those email archives. Specifically, they wanted to look for keyword trends and for receip…

That's so far outside of what is acceptable that it should be actionable in some way and I sincerely hope Google cuts them off at the knees. Aren't you breaking an NDA by posting this? (If so, extra kudos to you!)

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Post by jacquesm »

karlkatzke wrote: post #402
newsat13 wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just so you know, you have been quotes on gruber's article. Be careful about what you say on careful forum especially since your profile gives your contact information.

Thanks. I'll let it stand for now. I haven't been a part of that company for several years now, and did not have any legal agreements or first party relationship with either of the companies named above, and since the deal closed since with Slice it would be difficult for anyone to allege damages. On top of that, it should be very clear that everything I said is hearsay at best. If I had known the attention this woul…

No, but you did just point a whole pile of nasties at a very juicy and poorly secured target.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Post by tedmiston »

amyjess wrote: post #401
tedmiston wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might be unsafe but it's not illegal. It looks like Uber recently sidestepped it with agreeing that drivers not work more than 12 "consecutive" hours. Does a 15-min food break make two 8 blocks "non-consecutive"? I hope not. http://www.politico.com/states/new-york/city-hall/story/2016...

Some states do indeed have drowsy driving laws: http://www.ncsl.org/research/transportation/summaries-of-cur...

Thanks for adding this — it looks like a couple states are settling on no sleep in 24 consecutive hours as a standard. I wonder if different regulations are being considered for individuals vs drivers for ride sharing services. The latter is more concerning to me, though both are definitely a big deal.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Post by nilkn »

karlkatzke wrote: post #313
cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow I think this unroll.me thing is the real scandal here. I am an unroll.me user, but had no idea they sell user data to companies this way. Their whole value proposition is to help people control their own privacy and now I kind of feel betrayed..

I worked for a company that nearly acquired unroll.me. At the time, which was over three years ago, they had kept a copy of every single email of yours that you sent or received while a part of their service. Those emails were kept in a series of poorly secured S3 buckets. A large part of Slice buying unroll.me was for access to those email archives. Specifically, they wanted to look for keyword trends and for receip…

Is this answer on their FAQ an outright lie, then?

https://unrollme.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/200243036-If-...

> we don't store any of your emails on our servers.

Either way, I just deleted my Unroll.me account and revoked access to my Gmail account. I don't think there's anything the company can do to ever get me back as a user.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Post by karlkatzke »

jacquesm wrote: post #407
karlkatzke wrote: post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. I'll let it stand for now. I haven't been a part of that company for several years now, and did not have any legal agreements or first party relationship with either of the companies named above, and since the deal closed since with Slice it would be difficult for anyone to allege damages. On top of that, it should be very clear that everything I said is hearsay at best. If I had known the attention this woul…

No, but you did just point a whole pile of nasties at a very juicy and poorly secured target.

I would hope that Slice secured it after the acquisition.
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