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The solution to the housing crisis is extremely simple

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Re: The solution to the housing crisis is extremely simple

#21
You don't need to tear this post a new asshole, it disproves itself.

> No profit from land ownership means no price bubbles, because there’s no incentive (in fact, a powerful financial disincentive) to idly hold onto land.

There is no incentive to hold land at all. Business transactions are motivated by monetary gain. If there is none, business will seldom occur.

Re: The solution to the housing crisis is extremely simple

#22
post #4

I feel like I'm failing an IQ test here. I assumed he meant 100% tax on rent, but then there's this line: >Owners of valuable land would be forced to make maximum use of land with higher density rentals in order to make sufficient rental income to pay the land tax. What would the 100% be on exactly?

100% of the rental income generated from land value (as opposed to buildings/improvements). Formula: total rental income * (value of land / value of land and buildings)

Why would anyone buy property under this regime?

Re: The solution to the housing crisis is extremely simple

#23
This is just a weak form of Georgism [1], which is a very old concept and has been both praised and panned since introduced in the late 19th century. Mostly it remains popular in Left-Libertarian circles.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism

[2] http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2015/04/land-val...

Re: The solution to the housing crisis is extremely simple

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post #20

This has to be satire. No one can be this narrow minded. It sounds like this author wants the government to essentially own all of the land, and only those who can afford to (the rich) to actually do anything with it. What's valuable land? What is this tax actually for? I think this is satire and the author is trying to make a point about socialism or something, no one can be these inept at economics.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism

Re: The solution to the housing crisis is extremely simple

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post #3

>Income from land is thus completely unearned and thus any income gained from land ownership should be completely taxed at 100%. That pretty much sums up the article. This is a horrible idea and will never happen.

Could you explain why it's a horrible idea? Merely asserting it isn't the same as refuting the article (which lays out some arguments) and doesn't really add anything to the discussion.

Income from idle land is certainly unearned. But little idle land can earn anything (grazing land, I suppose, but then you still may have some maintenance or security you provide). Anything else will be earning income not from the land, but things built on the land, grown on the land, etc. A house that I have built (or maintain) isn't land, it's a house. It requires land to sit on. So when I rent it out, what percentage of that income is because of the land and what percentage is from the house? If it's farmland, what percentage of the income is because of the labor and materials put into the land?

Taxes on land certainly make sense, but as written this essay's suggestion is to have a 100% tax on landholders income from land. So how, then, do they make money? Does this only apply to people who rent land but have done nothing to improve it? If I have a family farm that I want to hold onto, but rent out 100 acres to a lumber company does that mean I can't earn anything from that rent because I'm not the one doing the work? This essay needs some work to produce anything approaching a reasonable solution.

Re: The solution to the housing crisis is extremely simple

#26

I may not be understanding his proposal fully, so please bear with me. If I'm making a complete jackass of myself through misunderstanding, let me know. > It’s worth noting that more tax on land doesn’t mean higher housing costs! For those living in enormous houses in very expensive neighbourhoods, it certainly will: but that’s by design. But shifting the tax burden onto rich folks like this, means that the average p…

> what exactly is going to stop the company that owns the 50-unit apartment building that I live in from passing that tax directly onto me and the other tenants via rent? Competition. Your landlords are already charging as much as they can get away with. > And how does this help my parents, who own land and have completely paid off their house? The enormous pool of money raised could help fund public healthcare and s…

Competition will not resolve the issue of taxes being passed on, because all properties will have an increased tax burden.

The smallest tax/rent increase will go to those using the land relatively optimally (to be decided by tax surveyors).

Re: The solution to the housing crisis is extremely simple

#28

This has to be satire. No one can be this narrow minded. It sounds like this author wants the government to essentially own all of the land, and only those who can afford to (the rich) to actually do anything with it. What's valuable land? What is this tax actually for? I think this is satire and the author is trying to make a point about socialism or something, no one can be these inept at economics.

This is exactly the same system of ownership as now, and a type of tax that already exists in many countries, but at a higher rate. I'm not sure why this is so horrifying.

I'm also not sure what makes it so hard for people to see the obvious fact that landlording is morally unjustifiable. Ideology is a hell of a drug I guess.

Re: The solution to the housing crisis is extremely simple

#29

I may not be understanding his proposal fully, so please bear with me. If I'm making a complete jackass of myself through misunderstanding, let me know. > It’s worth noting that more tax on land doesn’t mean higher housing costs! For those living in enormous houses in very expensive neighbourhoods, it certainly will: but that’s by design. But shifting the tax burden onto rich folks like this, means that the average p…

The path is a bit roundabout but it makes sense. The point is to make underutilized land uneconomical to keep that way. Landowners can no longer just sit on land that's not generating revenue. To generate revenue they will build more housing. The economics of supply and demand with additional supply will make housing cheaper more than additional taxes passed on to tenants will make it more expensive.

But the article's proposal is summed up here:

  Income from land is thus completely unearned and thus any
  income gained from land ownership should be completely taxed
  at 100%.
Taxing income from land, not land itself, based on some formula to determine it's value. This wouldn't cause unutilized land to be used, because it would have no taxes (other than base property taxes), but renting it out, for instance, would net you nothing. And if you can't sell it for a decent amount, or utilize it yourself (which the essay isn't clear, would income from a farm also be taxed?) you might as well leave it empty until the property taxes (if you kept them in this scheme) became overwhelming.

Re: The solution to the housing crisis is extremely simple

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post #18
post #7

> Rural land and average suburban land would be taxed at low rates because that land is comparatively cheap. How would we know what the value of that land is? Does some assessor come around and place an "expert opinion" sticker price on that land?

Is that not done in America? The city of Toronto taxes my condo based on a fraction of it's assessed value. They don't even enter the building up decide what that value is, but they have a database of every homes estimated value.

Assessments made by estimating the value based on actual sales data from similar properties. But the value of those real sales are made based on the expected profitability of the land.

It may be easier to see in rural areas. As a farmer, the price of farmland in the current climate seems to move to where the net profit on the productive use of that land is expected to be ~2-3% of the land's current value. So, as a rule of thumb, if you can expect to make $20-30,000 per year off 100 acres, then that 100 acres will sell for ~$1M.

If the tax on profits is 100%, the expected income will always be zero. Thus, the land is worth nothing. It doesn't really matter if it is in the heart of a city, or out in the middle of nowhere.

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