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The Deep Space of Digital Reading

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Re: The Deep Space of Digital Reading

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Ever since I lost my physical library of books to a fire, I've been an e-reader zealot. There are so many advantages: instantly start reading virtually book you want, effortlessly take digital highlights and annotations, carry a whole library in your pocket while you travel, read at night while your partner is asleep... I could go on. As an e-reader evangelist, I've encountered all kinds of resistance. In fact, it's…

I am envious. I find it hard to read on a kindle or iPad much as I'd like the convenience. One reason is that they are so much slower -- you can go from page to page in a flick of an eye or a quick page turn. Another is that it couples the somatic memory, making it easier to flip back to an earlier place (I often read in a random-access fashion, especially as I proceed through a book. The paper typography is still so…

> I really don't care what other people think about my books and have most of them hidden away in the part of the house where guests are not invited.

My father eventually learned to move the books out of the living room and into the back hall.

Re: The Deep Space of Digital Reading

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Ever since I lost my physical library of books to a fire, I've been an e-reader zealot. There are so many advantages: instantly start reading virtually book you want, effortlessly take digital highlights and annotations, carry a whole library in your pocket while you travel, read at night while your partner is asleep... I could go on. As an e-reader evangelist, I've encountered all kinds of resistance. In fact, it's…

I am sorry for your loss. --- Physical books provide random access. I can open a physical book to any arbitrary page without doing data entry. This is part of the a bigger difference, physical books don't require me to be a systems administrator managing files and licenses and network connections and accounts tied to credit cards. --- Physical books provide parallel access, I can pile open books on and around my desk…

> Physical books provide random access. I can open a physical book to any arbitrary page without doing data entry...

Ebooks provide near instantaneous access. I can open my ebook reader, search for "alkyl-alkyl bond formation" and be provided with a list of references with their surrounding context across many different books at once. Digital books don't require me to laboriously look up something in the index and flip to it, only to find that the specific thing I was hunting for was actually in another textbook.

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> Physical books provide parallel access, I can pile open books on and around my desk...

Digital books provide perpetual access. I can read the same book on my phone on my commute, on my computer during work, and on my kindle at home. My physical books can be left at home or lost.

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> To me, ebooks are like Skyping a lover or dining in an Indianoplis Olive Garden...

To me, paper books are like getting around town in a horse carriage or listening from a vinyl. Fun and entertaining once in a while, but there's a more efficient method available to me day to day.

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> The touch of a clothbound book is not like holding my cellphone and the typeset pages of a trade paperback are distinct from my laptop's screen and the heft of one book is different from the other...

The heft of 600 page reference textbooks or the tiny, inscrutable font of mass market paperbacks are both vices I'm happy to do without.

Re: The Deep Space of Digital Reading

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I am sorry for your loss. --- Physical books provide random access. I can open a physical book to any arbitrary page without doing data entry. This is part of the a bigger difference, physical books don't require me to be a systems administrator managing files and licenses and network connections and accounts tied to credit cards. --- Physical books provide parallel access, I can pile open books on and around my desk…

> Physical books provide random access. I can open a physical book to any arbitrary page without doing data entry... Ebooks provide near instantaneous access. I can open my ebook reader, search for "alkyl-alkyl bond formation" and be provided with a list of references with their surrounding context across many different books at once. Digital books don't require me to laboriously look up something in the index and fl…

Of the twin vices of heft and tiny print The Compact Edition of the Oxford English Dictionary has both. I've had my used (two volume) flea market copy of The Compact for over twenty years. The magnifying glass and slipcase were absent when I purchased but back then I could read the tiny text. These days, I default to +2.0 reading glasses and a 100w equivalent lamp though I could probably get by with less...I think.

It would be great to have as an ebook, but such a thing does not exist and if it did, I suspect the price would close to two magnitudes more than the $8 I negotiated for my copy...heft perhaps had the virtue that the seller was less inclined to lug those many pounds back to their car.

Ebooks don't necessarily provide perpetual access: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2009/07/... and https://www.theguardian.com/money/2012/oct/22/amazon-wipes-c...

Re: The Deep Space of Digital Reading

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Ever since I lost my physical library of books to a fire, I've been an e-reader zealot. There are so many advantages: instantly start reading virtually book you want, effortlessly take digital highlights and annotations, carry a whole library in your pocket while you travel, read at night while your partner is asleep... I could go on. As an e-reader evangelist, I've encountered all kinds of resistance. In fact, it's…

> The only shortcoming of e-reading, in my opinion, is the inability to display the books you've read and the books you want to read somewhere in your home or office. You can tell so much about a person by their library. I've been testing some solutions to this problem. 1. Can't re-sell, 2. tend to be significantly more expensive to begin with (no used market), 3. annotations, footnotes and such tend to be much worse…

Additionally...

1. Some books have horrible formats. In the physical books, shitty formatted texts are not printed (hopefully) and fixed. 2. Too many filetypes and some books tend to be only in a particular format, hence creating a separation. Though this is easily remedied by using converters, it loses formatting sometimes.

I still prefer EBook reader for the convenience. However, a physical book is great. I find it better but I do not have a good reason as to why.

Re: The Deep Space of Digital Reading

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am sorry for your loss. --- Physical books provide random access. I can open a physical book to any arbitrary page without doing data entry. This is part of the a bigger difference, physical books don't require me to be a systems administrator managing files and licenses and network connections and accounts tied to credit cards. --- Physical books provide parallel access, I can pile open books on and around my desk…

> Physical books provide random access. I can open a physical book to any arbitrary page without doing data entry... Ebooks provide near instantaneous access. I can open my ebook reader, search for "alkyl-alkyl bond formation" and be provided with a list of references with their surrounding context across many different books at once. Digital books don't require me to laboriously look up something in the index and fl…

Why not both? Each has their own set of pros and cons with different values depending on use-case and lifestyles. I have collections of both, and a many books in both formats.

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eg lookups...

Ebooks win for fact lookup, like "alkyl-alkyl bond formation", however I'd go to the internet for that. Lookups that require the appendix are roughly on-par.

Physical books win for plot referencing. Pages provide a physical heuristic for binary search, and current eink tech is much slower than physical page turns. Active displays are OK but I've yet to find a UI for effective binary searching Kindle books.

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Some more pros/cons, comparing physical books against the ebook+ereader combination.

- A physical book can be purchased and immediately read. Ebooks require a devices (cheap but not free). - Physical books can be sold by their owner. Ebooks are cheaper, but often not by much and they can't be resold. - Used books can be purchased for dirt cheap. Ebooks are easier to steal, but legal acquisition requires buying new. - Loss of a book only blocks that one book, and costs as much as the one book. Ebooks cannot be stolen, but ereaders are much more expensive to replace. - Books can have form-factors tailored to their content. ereaders can zoom and reformat content, but their screen size is fixed. - Books offer rich calibrated colors. Most ereaders do not. - Books can be loaned to anyone for as long as desired. Ebooks can be swapped, as long as the book allows loans and both parties use platforms/devices technology that support loans. Sometimes with time constraints. - Books do not have batteries. Ebooks rely on ereaders with long-lasting but not infinite batteries. - Books are unconditionally owned. ebooks have fine print and vendor-lock in. - Books can be privately acquired offline. Ebooks always leave a paper trail. - Books are physical artifacts that can be passed down. ebooks have some vendor support for "family accounts" and such, but are much harder to pass down (plus open questions around licensing when companies fail). - Books can withstand serious blunt trauma, including getting thrown out of a 60mph car. Ebook readers cannot. - Books can be freely copied for personal use. Publishers are hostile to duplicating ebooks for personal use. - Books are an excellent source of emergency kindling when camping. ereaders are not, although some batteries can be used as fire starters.

Re: The Deep Space of Digital Reading

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I find LED screens hard to read on for long periods of time, but I don't have this problem with e-readers.

At this point, I think the attachment that people have to analog books is purely emotional. There is no practical reason to have books over e-readers.

People mention things like the feel of the book, the feel of the paper in your hands, etc. Well I don't particularly like the way paper feels, particularly old paper when it starts to change color and get stiff and slightly misshapen. But even if you do like that sort of thing, in the end that's not what you're after, you don't read books for the feel of the paper or the smell or whatever, you read books because you want a good story or good information.

Yes some nostalgia books might be good for paper format for collectors or people who have preferences (like those people who like to vinyl instead of MP3s , but for ever-day, practical reading, digital readers are better in nearly every respect. They are cheaper, they have adjustable fonts, you can make a backup copy of the book and store it in the cloud so you don't have to worry about ever losing your book. You can adjust the font and font size. You can tap twice on any word and instantly get the dictionary definition. If you have a kobo you can save we articles on the kobo for later reading. It automatically keeps your page for you. Bookshelves take up an enormous amount of room, having that in the space of a small notebook is an advantage. It's much more environmentally friendly. By any measure e-books are better.

The only mildly sensible detraction I've seen on here is the inability to show off your bookshelf or share books, which frankly I don't care about. I don't care about showing off to other people, that's not why I read, and I can share books just fine without pulling it off a bookshelf and showing it.

Re: The Deep Space of Digital Reading

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I find LED screens hard to read on for long periods of time, but I don't have this problem with e-readers. At this point, I think the attachment that people have to analog books is purely emotional. There is no practical reason to have books over e-readers. People mention things like the feel of the book, the feel of the paper in your hands, etc. Well I don't particularly like the way paper feels, particularly old pa…

You're confusing your own motivations with the motivations of others.

Why do I read literarary works? For the information inside.

Why do I read physical books? I like all of the things you mentioned people shouldn't care about. The look, the feel, the physical manifestation, and most of all the smell of a stale book after a few decades. It's lovely.

Books fundamentally serve a different purpose for me.

Is this preference arbitrary? Yes. Is there anything at all wrong with it? No. The only thing wrong with mass produced books is the carbon footprint. These days we don't even need to cut trees for decent cellulose paper so the argument of deforestation people like to use is only a matter of current industry practices and not the book itself.

Instead of condemning the preferences of myself and others, why not try to understand us?

Re: The Deep Space of Digital Reading

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I find LED screens hard to read on for long periods of time, but I don't have this problem with e-readers. At this point, I think the attachment that people have to analog books is purely emotional. There is no practical reason to have books over e-readers. People mention things like the feel of the book, the feel of the paper in your hands, etc. Well I don't particularly like the way paper feels, particularly old pa…

You're confusing your own motivations with the motivations of others. Why do I read literarary works? For the information inside. Why do I read physical books? I like all of the things you mentioned people shouldn't care about. The look, the feel, the physical manifestation, and most of all the smell of a stale book after a few decades. It's lovely. Books fundamentally serve a different purpose for me. Is this prefer…

>Why do I read physical books? I like all of the things you mentioned people shouldn't care about. The look, the feel, the physical manifestation, and most of all the smell of a stale book after a few decades. It's lovely.

I doubt this is true for everyday reading. Because if that were true you would just open up old books and sniff them and rub them in your hands from time to time. And yet I have never once seen anyone do this. Lets face it, we read books for the words not for the feel for the books.

People are just going back to "feel" based sentiments now to justify what they see as a major change in a cherished hobby which they dislike. And while feel based arguments for preserving books aren't completely without merit, they only apply to a narrow type of book and a narrow type of reading (beautiful classic books) and not to actual every day reading.

I understand the nice qualities in old classic books. I get the nice feeling of opening up a really old book that has been around for a long time - but that really is a limited scope sort of use that doesn't capture every day use of books, and it's not really connected to the reading - it has more the value that an antique or a collectible has.

I think the best example is two copies of Shakespeare I have. One is an old classic version of Shakespeare in hard cover printed on high quality paper with ink illustrations. The other is a college paperback copy of Hamlet with torn covers and introduction pages. The prior might not be a good candidate for replacement with an e-reader but the latter certainly would. But if your goal was just to read Hamlet, both would be just as effective. This isn't to say there isn't a place for the great feeling you get with the hardcover beautiful Shakespeare book, just that the feeling isn't necessarily connected to the actual reading of Hamlet.

Re: The Deep Space of Digital Reading

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're confusing your own motivations with the motivations of others. Why do I read literarary works? For the information inside. Why do I read physical books? I like all of the things you mentioned people shouldn't care about. The look, the feel, the physical manifestation, and most of all the smell of a stale book after a few decades. It's lovely. Books fundamentally serve a different purpose for me. Is this prefer…

>Why do I read physical books? I like all of the things you mentioned people shouldn't care about. The look, the feel, the physical manifestation, and most of all the smell of a stale book after a few decades. It's lovely. I doubt this is true for everyday reading. Because if that were true you would just open up old books and sniff them and rub them in your hands from time to time. And yet I have never once seen any…

You are basicly doubling down on the same fallacies the previous post was pointing to.

> I doubt this is true for everyday reading

For some of us books are not everyday reading...

> Because if that were true you would just open up old books and sniff them and rub them in your hands from time to time. And yet I have never once seen anyone do this. Lets face it, we read books for the words not for the feel for the books

Following the same line of thinking, since I never saw anyone eating raw salt I should conclude that people don't really like salt ? You are trying to reduce reading a book to sum of arbitrary components...

Re: The Deep Space of Digital Reading

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I find LED screens hard to read on for long periods of time, but I don't have this problem with e-readers. At this point, I think the attachment that people have to analog books is purely emotional. There is no practical reason to have books over e-readers. People mention things like the feel of the book, the feel of the paper in your hands, etc. Well I don't particularly like the way paper feels, particularly old pa…

> It automatically keeps your page for you.

If you're reading a PDF on most e-readers, it automatically remembers that you're still on page 1 if you made the mistake of opening 2 or 3 other PDFs in the meantime.

This applies to every PDF reader I've tried except Foxit and the older Kindles.

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