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95% engineers in India unfit for software development jobs: study

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Re: 95% engineers in India unfit for software development jobs: study

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Post by dolbysurnd »

holydude wrote: post #17

If you hire a sweatshop you should expect a sweatshop quality. In a lot of cases hiring these sweatshops (TCS,Wipro,Tech Mahindra etc) is just to save money that can be then paid as bonuses to useless managers.

Having worked for TCS, I 100% agree (US base of operations in Milford Ohio). I gtfo of there in 1.5 yrs, but holy hell was it a shit show. The thing I learned is that many businesses will not respect the iron triangle. They will hire the low bidder, expect it to be done quickly and beat the quality out of them. TCS was all over that kind of work.

Re: 95% engineers in India unfit for software development jobs: study

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Post by holydude »

dolbysurnd wrote: post #31
holydude wrote: post #17

If you hire a sweatshop you should expect a sweatshop quality. In a lot of cases hiring these sweatshops (TCS,Wipro,Tech Mahindra etc) is just to save money that can be then paid as bonuses to useless managers.

Having worked for TCS, I 100% agree (US base of operations in Milford Ohio). I gtfo of there in 1.5 yrs, but holy hell was it a shit show. The thing I learned is that many businesses will not respect the iron triangle. They will hire the low bidder, expect it to be done quickly and beat the quality out of them. TCS was all over that kind of work.

It's a sad thing because it's damaging serious businesses like telcos,banks,insurance companies. But I guess the wheel is still in motion and we can keep many people employed.

Re: 95% engineers in India unfit for software development jobs: study

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Post by kogepathic »

holydude wrote: post #32
dolbysurnd wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having worked for TCS, I 100% agree (US base of operations in Milford Ohio). I gtfo of there in 1.5 yrs, but holy hell was it a shit show. The thing I learned is that many businesses will not respect the iron triangle. They will hire the low bidder, expect it to be done quickly and beat the quality out of them. TCS was all over that kind of work.

It's a sad thing because it's damaging serious businesses like telcos,banks,insurance companies. But I guess the wheel is still in motion and we can keep many people employed.

> It's a sad thing because it's damaging serious businesses like telcos,banks,insurance companies.

Doesn't matter if it's damaging to the business in the long run, it makes their quarterly results look great, and that's all Wall Street cares about. Headcount is down, profit is up.

Who cares if their business logic will be a hot mess in 2 years because everyone competent got fired? Everyone high up will have already collected their performance bonus.

Far too many companies are afraid to take long term decisions which are better for the company but worse in the short term. This was cited as one of the primary reasons for Dell to go private again:

"My partners at Silver Lake Management and I successfully took Dell private a year ago in the largest corporate privatization in history. I’d say we got it right. Privatization has unleashed the passion of our team members who have the freedom to focus first on innovating for customers in a way that was not always possible when striving to meet the quarterly demands of Wall Street." [0]

[0] https://www.wsj.com/articles/michael-dell-going-private-is-p...

Re: 95% engineers in India unfit for software development jobs: study

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Post by zac99 »

I doubt their claim without stats and facts, Company falsely claiming % for promoting product

1. have they reached 100% students? to claim 95%? no they have not reached there are 500+ colleges in a single state 2. From which engineering year student given test, for first year most of the colleges have same syllabus for first year 3. Company itself mentioned using automata it was found that the machine learning score was able to predict 22.6% good candidates

Re: 95% engineers in India unfit for software development jobs: study

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Post by bobosha »

dpratt wrote: post #9

I'd be curious to see the success rate for US-based engineers as well. I suspect it would be higher, but not by much at all. In my experience, outside of the prestige companies and communities, most of the people in our field are dangerously unskilled.

Exactly! I suspect most American programmers are woefully unprepared for even the most basic of programming tasks. I wouldn't be surprised if that figure - if it can even be credibly measured - is north of 90%.

Re: 95% engineers in India unfit for software development jobs: study

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Post by CodeSheikh »

dpratt wrote: post #9

I'd be curious to see the success rate for US-based engineers as well. I suspect it would be higher, but not by much at all. In my experience, outside of the prestige companies and communities, most of the people in our field are dangerously unskilled.

This is not a US vs India comparison. It is a "controlled" data set study done on Indian engineers trained in India. I am sure a separate study can surface interesting trends about US workforce as well.

Re: 95% engineers in India unfit for software development jobs: study

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Post by [deleted] »

aviraldg wrote: post #22

While the 95% claim might be somewhat accurate, I would not trust any studies by Aspiring Minds, which conducts the AMCAT employability test. My college's training and placement department recently forced everyone to answer it ("for practice"), and the quality of the questions was surprisingly poor, from English questions that were grammatically incorrect themselves, to computer science questions with all options inc…

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Re: 95% engineers in India unfit for software development jobs: study

#39

Post by abeyer »

threatofrain wrote: post #3

Hard to trust a private study conducted by a company whose interest is in convincing businesses that they can't effectively hire without their tests and certifications. Even if the figure is true, this is not the right starting point for discussion. Also, we can do better with direct links to studies, rather than bad journalism digests.

It sounds like it may be worse than that. According to someone who took the test[1] they then also offer students the chance to pay to retake for better scores.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/66kb3c/95_engi...

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