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The Benefits of Solitude

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Re: The Benefits of Solitude

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Are there jobs like this out there that you can do for months at a time without being too skilled? He was manning the Antarctic station - that sounds like it involves routine work that anyone can do (absolutely no offense), are there jobmarkets out there for these sort of gigs? Just curious really.

I'm not sure if there's much of a market for it (I think it's shrinking), but fire lookouts are one job like this. I enjoyed reading Fire Season which is basically half history of the Forest Service & wildland firefighting and half a guy's personal account of being a fire lookout.

Re: The Benefits of Solitude

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I don't believe the author did much of a job in selling the benefits of solitude, but it has once again stoked the embers currently within me to get away from everything connected to a socket, and from everyone (or almost everyone) connected to one another through a device.

Given the consistency at which articles of this nature appear on HN and other tech communities, it appears to be either a common residual feeling or one that is on the rise amongst us in the tech world?

Re: The Benefits of Solitude

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The "wild environments" offer concrete examples of the benefits of solitude. They're reduced anxiety, not being on pills, boosts to your the immune system, etc. Solitude generally accompanies the wilderness, and wilderness is the tangible gateway to the insight and humility you might gain from solitude. But of course the wilderness doesn't strictly mean not socializing. Talk to anyone who's thru-hiked the Appalachian…

The Appalachian Trail isn't wilderness. I recall reading somewhere that by some definition related to road building (if memory serves) there is no true wilderness in the lower 48. Alaska is it for the US, at least by that particular definition. Sorry, no citation. Of course, Canada is handily next door.

When I lived in Montana, I would regularly hike trails that clearly hadn't seen someone in at least a year, sometimes several, and this was only a little ways outside of Bozeman. I am unfamiliar with the road-building/true wilderness definition, but I can confidently say that there is plenty of wild to be found in the lower 48, by any reasonable assessment.

Re: The Benefits of Solitude

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I don't believe the author did much of a job in selling the benefits of solitude, but it has once again stoked the embers currently within me to get away from everything connected to a socket, and from everyone (or almost everyone) connected to one another through a device. Given the consistency at which articles of this nature appear on HN and other tech communities, it appears to be either a common residual feeling…

It strikes me as the simple intersection of the fact that tech people as a group are significantly more introverted and solitude-seeking than the population at large, and that solitude is most easily achieved away from civilization.

(Not to imply any judgement. I unashamedly fit the stereotype in this respect to a T.)

Re: The Benefits of Solitude

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I haven't spent 5 months in Antarctic solitude like Byrd, but I did live on a bicycle for a year while circling North America. I'd go multiple days without seeing anyone else, sometimes in the desert and sometimes in the forest. It changed my life, in ways that's hard to communicate to people who haven't spent time in actual solitude. These days I live in a fairly remote part of Alaska, but we have good cell coverage…

A few years ago, I did a solo hike around midnight to a spot in Bryce Canyon hoping to get a glimpse of the night skies. I had my camera situated on an outcropping taking pictures at set intervals while i was laying down staring at the night sky and the canyon below. I felt a strange and comforting sensation... Goosebumps and everything. I was in this vast wilderness in the middle of the night and yet i felt "cozy" l…

Another hypothesis might be that people know on some subconscious level that the real threat in the world is other people. I don't mean threat in the sense that you'll be killed but in society there is constantly a power struggle, as a man you try to climb the dominance hierarchy or if you don't try to climb it you feel weak because you know deep down that you're not top dog and there's a lot of consequences to that status etc.

Where as if you go somewhere where you're certain there's no other people around then you're free of all that, free to express yourself without worrying even a little about other people judging your every little movement, every behaviour.

Re: The Benefits of Solitude

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Since most of the comments (and TFA) is about solitude, but more in nature, I want to chime in about solitude in an urban setting. For the 18 months I was a digital nomad (while waiting for a US visa to move back near my cofounders), About 6 months were spent in cities where I didn't know anyone when I arrived, and roughly about 3 months were spent in "city solitude", the first couple weeks in each new city I went to.

During this time I wouldn't really have any directed conversation with humans. I'd thank a store clerk, make an order at a cafe or restaurant, that's it. Mostly because I didn't know the local languages in some of these countries (Asia), but sometimes even where I did. I was incredibly lonely the first time it happened due to the former (language), but towards the end of my nomadism it meant something else. I began to seek that time, and use it to commune with the place, the city, and to think truly independently without disrupting my lifestyle. These are big bustling people-filled places I'm talking about -- Seoul, Tokyo, Taipei, Osaka, Bangkok. I can speak Japanese fluently, yet every other week I spent in Tokyo I'd avoid personal interactions, while still going out regularly for dinner, or a run, or to a cafe. You start to see the place as a friend, and understand it more.

Ironically, you begin to be able to understand humans better from this time not being a part of their society. It's stepping away from individuals (friends/family/coworkers/date) you focus on, and suddenly you can observe the humanity around you with an even emphasis. You can see which things they take for granted, how they prioritize life, what makes them tick. You see things, learn things, understand the guiding fabric of their society (and to some extent the global one) from a third-person perspective, which is very different from what I saw while an active part of it.

This same perspective also makes you feel a great deal of freedom from those social rules, yet acute awareness of them (much like with a friend, you don't have to deal with their lifestyle if you don't want to, you can look at their life more objectively than if they were your partner or family). You think about things, try things, plan things, make choices very differently than if you are being socially influenced directly by those around you. Being a foreigner/outsider in those places probably accentuated it, but likely is a prerequisite to feel that way in a city.

I really feel like it permanently changed the way I see the role of society, places, and my human relationships to be a completely different perspective.

Re: The Benefits of Solitude

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A few years ago, I did a solo hike around midnight to a spot in Bryce Canyon hoping to get a glimpse of the night skies. I had my camera situated on an outcropping taking pictures at set intervals while i was laying down staring at the night sky and the canyon below. I felt a strange and comforting sensation... Goosebumps and everything. I was in this vast wilderness in the middle of the night and yet i felt "cozy" l…

Another hypothesis might be that people know on some subconscious level that the real threat in the world is other people. I don't mean threat in the sense that you'll be killed but in society there is constantly a power struggle, as a man you try to climb the dominance hierarchy or if you don't try to climb it you feel weak because you know deep down that you're not top dog and there's a lot of consequences to that…

In a somewhat different way, this is the same reason I prefer to work at night. I can get an 8-10 hour stretch with no distractions!

Re: The Benefits of Solitude

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Turn off your cell phone. Go take a long walk in nature, away from a city and the related noise and distractions. Try to make it a regular habit. You will benefit and find it enjoyable.

The Santa Cruz mountains, redwoods, Point Reyes, etc, are all great for this right in the bay area.

Re: The Benefits of Solitude

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "wild environments" offer concrete examples of the benefits of solitude. They're reduced anxiety, not being on pills, boosts to your the immune system, etc. Solitude generally accompanies the wilderness, and wilderness is the tangible gateway to the insight and humility you might gain from solitude. But of course the wilderness doesn't strictly mean not socializing. Talk to anyone who's thru-hiked the Appalachian…

The Appalachian Trail isn't wilderness. I recall reading somewhere that by some definition related to road building (if memory serves) there is no true wilderness in the lower 48. Alaska is it for the US, at least by that particular definition. Sorry, no citation. Of course, Canada is handily next door.

Sure. I was using the term colloquially, as I think the author was.
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