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HN capitalism zealots care not for facts
We've already asked you to please stop posting ideological provocations, and we ban accounts that won't.
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We've already asked you to please stop posting ideological provocations, and we ban accounts that won't.
You are mixing me up with someone else in your mod glory power haste. No responses to me in the past 50 days have the string "ideol" in it.
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> Maybe chill out a bit on the accusatory kneejerk reaction, this is meant to be a forum for civil discussion. Without fail, during any discussion about tech and gender on these boards, "nice guys" come out of the woodwork as staunch advocates of equality in the workplace, their message couched in accusatory and bullying language. I'll bet they're closer to being part of the problem with the industry, rather than the…
I know the type you mean, and I agree. However, that's not what the previous commenter was doing. I don't think it's sexist to suggest that on average, men and women may have different interests - whatever you think it's caused by, it's observable from reality. If they had said that women aren't as capable as men at programming I'd be right there with you, but kneejerk accusations of sexism do nothing but stifle deba…
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The problem is the inane assumption, which is now taken as a fact (without rigorous substantiation) that any male heavy gender ratio is a result of bias by white men (not even necessarily the majority, mind you, we simply ignore fields where women are over represented). Not to mention the conflation of equality of opportunity with equality of achievement. In our society it has become a taboo to even consider that str…
Where are the campaigns for female construction and sanitation worker parity? How about male nursing? HR? Nothing? Surely those fields would benefit from equal representation and male insight. Yet we have some kind of crusade against the tech industry. Oh well, I should just shut up since I'm a straight, white, male. I'm just oppressing you poor souls.
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Yeah, but are you looking at this from the Silicon Valley point of view, where a computer programmer can expect a 6 figure income straight out of college? Because that's far from the norm in the parts of 'the West' where I live.
Is that true, though? Does Silicon Valley really pay 6 figures for entry-level? I guess with cost of living they probably have little choice.
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> mind you, we simply ignore fields where women are over represented). No, we don't. This point has been asked, and answered, so often (even on HN) that it probably falls under this bit of the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Please avoid introducing classic flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say about them. EDIT there are dozens of these: 4 years ago: https://new…
Perhaps the reason that there are "dozens" of "these" is that the question is far from settled. Perhaps this is a "classic flamewar" topic (something I'd love to see you substantiate) because of the smug dismissal of anyone who dares to question the narrative. My point is that the narrative is one sided. While I was not specifically referring to nursing, notice how you immediately presume that men are choosing not to…
> notice how you immediately presume that men are choosing not to go into nursing because of a lack of interest
I haven't said that. Please don't put words in my mouth.
Since you've done this it's obvious you're not interested in a good faith discussion.
These threads follow a predictable pattern.
Every single time people say "What about women in contruction?" or "what about men in teaching?", and every single time they do it in the same "AHA!" way.
But, if they'd bothered to plug it into any fucking search engine they'd have seen that considerable effort is spent in these other trades to change the gender balance.
Maybe not taking artificial hormones keeps women interested in science and tech?
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Perhaps the reason that there are "dozens" of "these" is that the question is far from settled. Perhaps this is a "classic flamewar" topic (something I'd love to see you substantiate) because of the smug dismissal of anyone who dares to question the narrative. My point is that the narrative is one sided. While I was not specifically referring to nursing, notice how you immediately presume that men are choosing not to…
You're missing the point that in all those other threads someone asks this tired question, and then other people give multiple answers linking to all the programmes to get women into mining or construction or men into teaching or nursing - the question has been asked and answered, and the only reason it keeps being asked is because people keep asking the same question without bothering to do any searches at all for a…
It's the wrong question. Which is ironic, since the inability to ask to right question (about the US) is indicative of the problem (here). The question tech here should be asking is: If our "party" is so great (and being the self-absorbed Kool Aid drinkers that we are, we're 100% certain it is), how come so few outside our immediate circle wants to come to our party? Maybe it's not them? Maybe it's us? Could it be us…
What are you even on about??? 1. We don't understand what our problem is. 2. Nothing we try seems to really work. 3. So we compare ourselves to places that don't have the problem. 4. We hope the differences shed some light on the things we are doing wrong so we can change. Why exactly do you think they take other countries as case studies?
Let me break it down. Nice and simple...The answer isn't in Russia or any other country for that matter. The answer is in the mirror. IF you're willing and able to look into it.
The key to problem solving is...wait for it...to identify the right problem. But before that, it's admitting you have a problem. So how exactly does looking at Russia help? (Hint: it doesn't.) And now, look at that, we're back at the mirror, or should me.
p.s. Thanks for the DV. As already mentioned, it only makes my case stronger.