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Louisiana’s Governor Declares State Of Emergency Over Disappearing Coastline

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Re: Louisiana’s Governor Declares State Of Emergency Over Disappearing Coastline

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Post by DanielBMarkham »

adolph wrote: post #29

The first two comments seem to associate anthropogenic climate change with the changes in Louisiana's coastline. A more likely culprit is hydrologic mismanagement. The coastline was formed by waterways that periodically changed channels and dumped sediment in different areas. In relatively recent times cities on the existing waterways became politically influential enough for the federal government to build a series…

Exactly. Beginning with the breakup of the Great Log Jams in the 1800s, this area has been extensively hacked by humans to do something it naturally does not do.

At some point, the river is going to go back to the way it's supposed to be, Army Corps of Engineers be damned.

c/f http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1987/02/23/atchafalaya

Re: Louisiana’s Governor Declares State Of Emergency Over Disappearing Coastline

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Post by zdean »

OliverJones wrote: post #39
adolph wrote: post #29

The first two comments seem to associate anthropogenic climate change with the changes in Louisiana's coastline. A more likely culprit is hydrologic mismanagement. The coastline was formed by waterways that periodically changed channels and dumped sediment in different areas. In relatively recent times cities on the existing waterways became politically influential enough for the federal government to build a series…

Thirty years ago, John McPhee wrote about this very issue. At that time a ship on the Mississippi river could go through a lock, drop FIFTY FEET, and take a shortcut to the ocean via the Atachfalaya river. http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1987/02/23/atchafalaya Just because it's not a new situation doesn't mean it's not an emergency.

I don't think the parent comment disagrees with you that it's an emergency...I think he's surprised by the designation because it'll focus attention on the root source of the problem and make the local governments confront a not-new problem of their own making...it's a focus they may not expect or want.

Re: Louisiana’s Governor Declares State Of Emergency Over Disappearing Coastline

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Post by NoGravitas »

PeterStuer wrote: post #14
spodek wrote: post #3

I've been asking people to name the most effective leaders in the area of global warming. When I say my answer, they look surprised, but then agree: the Koch Brothers and Donald Trump. They are leading people not to change their behavior and this is the result. No one is leading in the direction of reducing consumption with nearly the effectiveness as them. Instead of leading ourselves, the overwhelming majority of A…

Abstinence is the answer that can not exist in a neo-liberal society.

Also, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Individual lifestyle choices will never have the impact needed to solve systemic problems.

Re: Louisiana’s Governor Declares State Of Emergency Over Disappearing Coastline

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Post by treehau5 »

scottlegrand2 wrote: post #9
spodek wrote: post #3

I've been asking people to name the most effective leaders in the area of global warming. When I say my answer, they look surprised, but then agree: the Koch Brothers and Donald Trump. They are leading people not to change their behavior and this is the result. No one is leading in the direction of reducing consumption with nearly the effectiveness as them. Instead of leading ourselves, the overwhelming majority of A…

The members of the creative class who live in the major cities and take mass transit or bike or walk to work have the right idea. Bonus points for working at home or going full Mr. Money Mustache. Unfortunately that's not practical for most people. Also, we overinvest in our highways and cars because there seems to be almost no collective will to build a national transportation network beyond that. And I don't want t…

Can I still eat lots of poultry and pork? If so, I'd be down with less beef. I'm down to about one hamburger and one steak a week.

Re: Louisiana’s Governor Declares State Of Emergency Over Disappearing Coastline

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Post by ThomPete »

spodek wrote: post #3

I've been asking people to name the most effective leaders in the area of global warming. When I say my answer, they look surprised, but then agree: the Koch Brothers and Donald Trump. They are leading people not to change their behavior and this is the result. No one is leading in the direction of reducing consumption with nearly the effectiveness as them. Instead of leading ourselves, the overwhelming majority of A…

Dont think this is a climate change issue.

Re: Louisiana’s Governor Declares State Of Emergency Over Disappearing Coastline

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Post by bkkssnn »

djanogo wrote: post #40
spodek wrote: post #3

I've been asking people to name the most effective leaders in the area of global warming. When I say my answer, they look surprised, but then agree: the Koch Brothers and Donald Trump. They are leading people not to change their behavior and this is the result. No one is leading in the direction of reducing consumption with nearly the effectiveness as them. Instead of leading ourselves, the overwhelming majority of A…

"They are leading people not to change their behavior and this is the result." Rising sea level is the _result_ of Mr.Trump swearing in 3 months back?, I understand this forum is echo chamber for anti trump discussions, but you are reaching so far here. Most peoples behavior is mainly due to capitalism, all of them, multiple generations, were raised watching ads which gets them to buy new "stuff" all the time, so "st…

Didn't see annyone saying it's a result of Trump mabey you are just looking for somethign that's not there? But one things for sure. When POTUS flat out says climate change is a hox and dsn't get called out, we are in trouble.

Re: Louisiana’s Governor Declares State Of Emergency Over Disappearing Coastline

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Post by riffraff2 »

ThomPete wrote: post #45
spodek wrote: post #3

I've been asking people to name the most effective leaders in the area of global warming. When I say my answer, they look surprised, but then agree: the Koch Brothers and Donald Trump. They are leading people not to change their behavior and this is the result. No one is leading in the direction of reducing consumption with nearly the effectiveness as them. Instead of leading ourselves, the overwhelming majority of A…

Dont think this is a climate change issue.

How?

Re: Louisiana’s Governor Declares State Of Emergency Over Disappearing Coastline

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Post by philipov »

erentz wrote: post #34
dnautics wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't most of the coastline damage a result of creating shipping canals and pushing brackish water further inland?

Today. My issue is with the ongoing support for actions that will lead to the eventual destruction over decades anyway, while complaining about current or historical destruction. If the coastline is important to them today, why don't they care about it in the future?

'I'll be gone; you'll be gone.'

Re: Louisiana’s Governor Declares State Of Emergency Over Disappearing Coastline

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Post by riffraff2 »

arbuge wrote: post #36

Meanwhile, on CNN's front page today: http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/20/us/louisiana-climate-change-sk...

The fisherman denier, ""It doesn't concern me. What is science? Science is an educated guess," Dotson says defiantly. "What if they guess wrong? There's just as much chance as them to be wrong as there is for them to be right."

lol

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