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Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech?

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Re: Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech?

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean the fact that you went and registered a throwaway to head down the path you're intending to gives away what you are really thinking.

Well if you try a different path - if low birth rates occur when societies are highly developed, what happens when this effect reaches Africa?

It slows as it has been doing for quite some time.

Re: Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech?

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I've seen it argued that, paradoxically, the richer and more egalitarian a society is, the more the differences are magnified in the kinds choices individuals of both genders make. So Russia being a poorer nation with less paths to success would lead more women to make career choices based around economics, while in Sweden, a richer welfare state, economic factors may be a lower driver.

Well, the argument comes from the fact that the most gender equal countries still have very high level of men and women assuming traditional gender roles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hjernevask

And we are not sure what that is.

Re: Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech?

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because there are fewer stereotypes. Maybe well be a leftover from communism as well, when individualism was strongly discouraged and the only way you could stand out is by doing your job well. Individualism I mean in all aspects of current society - choice and variety of this. I suspect there is a similar trend in China as well.

The phrase used in China was that women hold up half the sky, and the expectation was that males and females participated equally in the economy.

While there has been some regression on this coinciding with more exposure to Western culture, I still notice that there is a much higher proportion of women in Chinese tech companies than in Western ones, although not a 50-50 split.

Re: Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech?

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It's because Russia isn't a particularly nice place to live. From the article: > Most of the girls we talked to from other countries had a slightly playful approach to Stem, whereas in Russia, even the very youngest were extremely focused on the fact that their future employment opportunities were more likely to be rooted in Stem subjects. They do tech because it provides a way of getting a good life. In the West, wh…

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Re: Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech?

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> According to Unesco, 29% of women worldwide are in science research, compared with 41% in Russia. In the UK, about 4% of inventors are women, whereas the figure is 15% in Russia. These numbers seem ludicrously high regardless of gender. I'd be surprised to hear that 29% - almost 3 of 10 - men were scientists. Is what they're actually saying that 29% of scientists are women worldwide, but in russia it's 41%? That wo…

It's just a typo for 29% of science researchers are women.

Re: Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech?

#76

Maybe because like men all over the world, Russian women aren't specially "encouraged" to go into tech? Maybe nobody has to tell them or tell anyone to 'like science'. People just do. The same argument goes for women in science. Albert Einstein was told he wouldn't amount to much. Doesn't mean he 'got discouraged' and quit physics. That's not why we do science - for public appreciation - we do it because we love it n…

This. I think encouraging women is discouraging in itself. It includes an assumption of power and superiority, and opens them up to doubts and criticism about their technical merits. The best would be not discouraging anybody at all, then those naturally inclined towards the field will be attracted by themselves.

A thing that all of us can do is to get rid of their prejudices for real. We like calling things mysogny and racism and attack, but what they profoundly are is hereditary prejudice which only heals through self-education.

Edit: prejudices are not limited to white males, but we all have them (obviously me too, thus having to do this edit).

Re: Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech?

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without engaging in any of the rest of your comment, I'm going to call out again the attempt to shift goalposts from tech to STEM in general. Tech people want to believe that the gender disparity in their field is shared among all the STEM fields, but, of course, it is not: women are far better represented in other STEM fields. Computer science, physics, and engineering have similarly acute gender disparity. The rest…

so would you say those fields that have >50% women would need to work on their gender diversity to include more men?

> so would you say those fields that have >50%

Notice what was written. It was not >50%. It was better than 50%

Re: Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being from Europe myself, I suppose I'm biased to wanting to preserve Europeans, and am not satisfied with merely preserving humanity as a whole.

Then why the concern with America and Russia too?

Because Russia is Europe?

Re: Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech?

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It's fascinating that she would think "there's no problem at all", but this is a quite common opinion in Russia.

However, if other Russian tech women from Skolkovo state dramatically different things, who's bullshiting: Anna, BBC or both?

https://sk.ru/news/b/articles/archive/2016/03/08/celebrating...

Re: Why is Russia so good at encouraging women into tech?

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It's because Russia isn't a particularly nice place to live. From the article: > Most of the girls we talked to from other countries had a slightly playful approach to Stem, whereas in Russia, even the very youngest were extremely focused on the fact that their future employment opportunities were more likely to be rooted in Stem subjects. They do tech because it provides a way of getting a good life. In the West, wh…

> This, incidentally, blows out of the water the argument made by some feminists that women don't do STEM because of conditioning in nasty patriarchal societies.

No it doesn't

At most it suggests that in more desperate circumstances women will be motivated to climb that hill and struggle through it

It doesn't mean there isn't a problem

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