Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving cars • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving cars

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Post by legolas2412 » Thu, Apr 20, 2017, 11:11 PM UTC

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #249

marvin wrote: post #227

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I would absolutely not find it reasonable if my "self-driving" car won't drive itself in the rain or snow, given that in my climate, it is raining or snowing >270 out of every 360 days of the year. Such a product would still have a large market value since there are nice climates with dense populations in the world too, but not everyone lives in California.

What you said -- plus: the last thing you want is a car that 'self drives' until the conditions suddenly change at high speeds and the half-aware driver is forced to take over unprepared and unalert and convinced that his/her car is supposed to be driving for them.

Exactly, if we are forcing drivers to stay focused on the road with hands on the wheel. It's not "self driving", as in it's not level 5 autonomy

Re: Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving cars

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Post by legolas2412 » Thu, Apr 20, 2017, 11:15 PM UTC

tim333 wrote: post #235

m4x wrote: post #220

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Elevators and trains are not even in the same ballpark as cars, and the busses you linked to can't function on public roads. They don't have the ability to interact with other vehicles. It's entirely valid to state that we can do lots with our current tech, because we can, but when the topic is self driving cars on public roads, it makes no sense to claim they're possible without general AI based on the fact that an…

The Volvos drive themselves on public roads. OK level 4 not 5 and not quite launched on the public yet but not bad.

Yeah, but you agree the problem is technical, not regulatory.

I have multiple friends with years of experience in academia who think that Tesla is launching "Tesla Network" - driverless taxis this year.

Re: Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving cars

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Post by legolas2412 » Thu, Apr 20, 2017, 11:23 PM UTC

tigershark wrote: post #201

chrismealy wrote: post #116

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The main problem is totally technical! Robot cars can barely deal with following white lines on the road. How about rain, construction, poorly marked roads, fallen trees, badly parked delivery trucks, emergency vehicles, pedestrians, cyclists, etc? Can cars read roads signs and understand them? We'll have full-on AI before self-driving cars are for real.

Non-sense. Full-on AI is completely another level compared to self driving cars. It is like saying that we'll have full blown image recognition before pong.

If by self driving you mean driving in a single lane on a highway, then sure, a lot of cars have "automated cruise control" with "lane keeping assists" and "collision avoidance".

But if you mean truly driverless cars on public roads, with noone in the driver seat, then sorry, driving isn't just riding in a lane and reading a handful of road signs. It includes responding to anything in your environment. For example, if you see a ball bounce in front of your car, you will instinctively slow down since there might be a kid running after the ball. A driverless car making that inference? No chance.