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Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by user5994461 »

JCharante wrote: post #211
stephenr wrote: post #77

What is it with tech companies and fucking terrible name/branding analogies? Docker. Ok, works with containers I get... wait. Your logo is a WHALE with a bunch of shipping containers on it. You know that whales DISAPPEAR underwater for hours at a time, and shipping containers are NOT MEANT TO DO THAT? Ok ok maybe it was an honest mistake hey whats this new thing moby.. wait. Whales. Moby. Moby dick? Your project is n…

Moby was the perfect name for a chaos monkey docker equivalent.

Moby Donkey :D

Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by matt4077 »

ohdrat wrote: post #149
matt4077 wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who's "they" in this little conspiracy theory? There's nothing viral about using GPL code. Your docker containers are probably running on Linux, which is also GPL, and that has neither infected nor affected you, has it?

"they" refers to the business creating the software--extjs or docker. It's viral, any connection whatsoever, not sure where they draw the line. GPL is just not enforced except when it comes to selling software licenses.

I wonder how you could say such a patently (and copyright-ly) false thing, especially considering you replied to a comment explicitly mentioning Linux.

Would you not think all these huge companies would think twice before using Linux if it meant being dependent on the good will of everyone who ever contributed to any of thousands of packages that come with a typical distribution?

Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by matt4077 »

ohdrat wrote: post #149
matt4077 wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who's "they" in this little conspiracy theory? There's nothing viral about using GPL code. Your docker containers are probably running on Linux, which is also GPL, and that has neither infected nor affected you, has it?

"they" refers to the business creating the software--extjs or docker. It's viral, any connection whatsoever, not sure where they draw the line. GPL is just not enforced except when it comes to selling software licenses.

Oh, by the way: While stalking you, I noticed you had something much smarter to say 443 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11022989

"I predict that the term "micro" will be replaced by the term "modular", and that docker will create a replacement for the microcontainer named the modular loader/container."

Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by frightening »

shykes wrote: post #230
fpp wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you not concerned that this move (relabeling the open source version different from how the product is known to the broader public) might further diminish the number of contributors that are now already down 50% / back to 2014 levels? see https://www.openhub.net/p/docker for statistics on that.

Those stats are wrong. The project has grown massively since 2014 and continues to grow. My guess is that you are looking at the stats for a single repo, when we have broken up the project (and its contribution flow) into many smaller repos. To answer your question: we think this move will accelerate the growth of the project, because it addresses the two most common concerns from contributors: 1) that the project is…

> that it's too tied to the Docker product and company

That's good news.

So you're setting up some sort of foundation so that Docker is no longer a gatekeeper for the upstream stuff? I didn't see that in the announcement.

Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by sampwing »

kordless wrote: post #184
rc_kas wrote: post #156

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Your comment is the only one in this whole thread that anyone needs to read.

Yup, and your's as well, by extension. I'd add that the rebrand needed to happen, given naming a company and a product the same thing is never a good idea.

Except the company and product still have the same name, it is just the open source project's name which is changing.

Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by stephenr »

JCharante wrote: post #211
stephenr wrote: post #77

What is it with tech companies and fucking terrible name/branding analogies? Docker. Ok, works with containers I get... wait. Your logo is a WHALE with a bunch of shipping containers on it. You know that whales DISAPPEAR underwater for hours at a time, and shipping containers are NOT MEANT TO DO THAT? Ok ok maybe it was an honest mistake hey whats this new thing moby.. wait. Whales. Moby. Moby dick? Your project is n…

Moby was the perfect name for a chaos monkey docker equivalent.

Based on reading the article I linked, you basically get random breakages like that out of the box with docker anyway. You just can't turn that mode off.

Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by matt4077 »

jacquesm wrote: post #157
matt4077 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What, exactly, is the bait in this case? The name? Because it sure seems as if I could still get everything as I could before. Do you really think there are people who reads a tutorial and ends up buying Docker Enterprise Edition for 9,950$ because they failed to see the "Docker Community Edition" link, which by the way, will still be available?

> "Docker Community Edition" That's not Docker. That's Moby.

It is. Only the underlying technology is renamed, "Docker Community Edition" will continue to exist.

Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by mintplant »

shykes wrote: post #75

Hi all, Docker founder here. It appears that the explanation in the pull request is not very clear. Sorry about that. We didn't expect the PR to be the first thing people read: there is a new website at mobyproject.org. Unfortunately Github is struggling under the load, and I can't update the PR text to clarify. Here is an updated version with some clarifications: Docker is transitioning all of its open source collab…

Could you provide a succinct, up-to-date explanation of what constitutes "Docker" as a product?

Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by julian_1 »

ilovecaching wrote: post #153
shykes wrote: post #75

Hi all, Docker founder here. It appears that the explanation in the pull request is not very clear. Sorry about that. We didn't expect the PR to be the first thing people read: there is a new website at mobyproject.org. Unfortunately Github is struggling under the load, and I can't update the PR text to clarify. Here is an updated version with some clarifications: Docker is transitioning all of its open source collab…

Do you know that keeping your users in a constant state of confusion is not the way to convince them that you're building a stable and secure product? Also, isn't it kind of ironic that you built your company on OSS and then invited a well known destroyer of OSS onto your main stage? Plus, I want my DockerCon money back. What exactly did you announce besides multi-stage builds at the general sessions that is actually…

Happily stopped using Docker when they began removing key features - even in the face of widespread user protest ,

https://github.com/moby/moby/pull/5001

Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by w8rbt »

Khao wrote: post #154
stephenr wrote: post #77

What is it with tech companies and fucking terrible name/branding analogies? Docker. Ok, works with containers I get... wait. Your logo is a WHALE with a bunch of shipping containers on it. You know that whales DISAPPEAR underwater for hours at a time, and shipping containers are NOT MEANT TO DO THAT? Ok ok maybe it was an honest mistake hey whats this new thing moby.. wait. Whales. Moby. Moby dick? Your project is n…

A+ post. Funny rambling backed up by a crazy well detailed article and you get downvoted by the HN hive mind. Docker is the ...ahem... whale in the room that you shouldn't criticize ever!

Hah... no that's rust, not docker ;)
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