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Plastc will cease operations and will not fulfill any pre-orders

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Re: Plastc will cease operations and will not fulfill any pre-orders

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Does anyone have any information whether they'd refund people who have pre-ordered?

From the website:

> What This Means For Backers: > It’s been a long road with a lot of obstacles. The support of our amazing backers has been incredible, which makes this announcement even harder. We were so incredibly ready for production in order to hit our deadlines but without capital it is impossible for us to move forward and we will not be able to fulfill any pre-orders.

soooo... no.

Re: Plastc will cease operations and will not fulfill any pre-orders

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post #7

"In 2011 after buying a pair of sneakers, then a fruit smoothie and noticing a Google Wallet icon on the cash register, Marquis asked the cashier how many people actually paid with their phones. The cashier responded that so far 2-3 people per month were using it... Immediately the lightbulb went on in Ryan’s mind that there was a significant shift happening in the market from a physical credit card to digital paymen…

It wasn't going to be so much that, as a card that you could put multiple credit cards on, but that still functioned entirely like a credit card - meaning it could be swiped in vending machines, by waitresses, and everywhere that accepts cards, without the need for an apple pay or google pay or whatever NFC payment hardware.

It's for people that keep multiple cards in their wallet.

Re: Plastc will cease operations and will not fulfill any pre-orders

#13
post #7

"In 2011 after buying a pair of sneakers, then a fruit smoothie and noticing a Google Wallet icon on the cash register, Marquis asked the cashier how many people actually paid with their phones. The cashier responded that so far 2-3 people per month were using it... Immediately the lightbulb went on in Ryan’s mind that there was a significant shift happening in the market from a physical credit card to digital paymen…

I mean, it could just be a clever allusion to a mall. And spotting a trend and jumping on to monitize is pretty straightforward. He just never found a way to ease the friction, and google pay remains a reletive novelty here. Compare that to china, and you may realize there is, still, an great untapped market for such a service. The failure was not the stupid SV thinking, but inability to execute successfully. Given that Apple, Google, and others have tried similar, it is no huge failure imho.

Re: Plastc will cease operations and will not fulfill any pre-orders

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post #7

"In 2011 after buying a pair of sneakers, then a fruit smoothie and noticing a Google Wallet icon on the cash register, Marquis asked the cashier how many people actually paid with their phones. The cashier responded that so far 2-3 people per month were using it... Immediately the lightbulb went on in Ryan’s mind that there was a significant shift happening in the market from a physical credit card to digital paymen…

Fruit smoothies and sneakers? In Palo Alto, everyone told me the best coffee was at Zombie Runner, which is a running store...? So I guess that could happen.

I was just passing through for a couple of days so never had the chance to try it for myself, ymmv

http://www.zombierunner.com/about/palo_alto_store/

Re: Plastc will cease operations and will not fulfill any pre-orders

#15
My favorite part about this is that they created a webpage that essentially called out Coin for selling out, and that they'd give you a discount if you traded your Coin in. At least Coin was able to deliver some semblance of a product, whereas Plastc was only able to deliver a blog post.

https://plastc.com/coinbuyback/

Re: Plastc will cease operations and will not fulfill any pre-orders

#16
post #7

"In 2011 after buying a pair of sneakers, then a fruit smoothie and noticing a Google Wallet icon on the cash register, Marquis asked the cashier how many people actually paid with their phones. The cashier responded that so far 2-3 people per month were using it... Immediately the lightbulb went on in Ryan’s mind that there was a significant shift happening in the market from a physical credit card to digital paymen…

It wasn't going to be so much that, as a card that you could put multiple credit cards on, but that still functioned entirely like a credit card - meaning it could be swiped in vending machines, by waitresses, and everywhere that accepts cards, without the need for an apple pay or google pay or whatever NFC payment hardware. It's for people that keep multiple cards in their wallet.

> everywhere that accepts cards

Given the shift to chip-and-PIN, which can't be emulated like this -- Plastc claimed they could but never demonstrated it (because it's impossible) -- they were way too late to market with this idea even 3 years ago.

And if merchants are going to roll out new POS hardware they might as well jump to NFC as it leapfrogs cards on convenience. And security, if your device implements tokenization and fingerprints-instead-of-PINs (like Apple Pay and others). Also it's built in to lots of phones and watches now.

Re: Plastc will cease operations and will not fulfill any pre-orders

#17
post #5

FWIW, the thread on Plastc from 3 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8422928 Edit: apparently there is a r/plastc and it declared plastc a scam 7 months ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/Plastc/comments/52or45/due_to_recen... To me it's fascinating how much Plastc seems to have flown under the radar. The initial announcement, and then almost no coverage until today: https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/pl…

I like that the first comment points out that they would be useless once the chip and pin switch takes place "in a year or so".

Re: Plastc will cease operations and will not fulfill any pre-orders

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post #8
post #2

Does anyone have any information whether they'd refund people who have pre-ordered?

> A chapter 7 bankruptcy case does not involve the filing of a plan of repayment as in chapter 13. Instead, the bankruptcy trustee gathers and sells the debtor's nonexempt assets and uses the proceeds of such assets to pay holders of claims (creditors) in accordance with the provisions of the Bankruptcy Code. Part of the debtor's property may be subject to liens and mortgages that pledge the property to other credito…

Kickstarter style

Re: Plastc will cease operations and will not fulfill any pre-orders

#20
post #7

"In 2011 after buying a pair of sneakers, then a fruit smoothie and noticing a Google Wallet icon on the cash register, Marquis asked the cashier how many people actually paid with their phones. The cashier responded that so far 2-3 people per month were using it... Immediately the lightbulb went on in Ryan’s mind that there was a significant shift happening in the market from a physical credit card to digital paymen…

It wasn't going to be so much that, as a card that you could put multiple credit cards on, but that still functioned entirely like a credit card - meaning it could be swiped in vending machines, by waitresses, and everywhere that accepts cards, without the need for an apple pay or google pay or whatever NFC payment hardware. It's for people that keep multiple cards in their wallet.

I was always bemused about this idea that putting multiple credit cards on a single physical card is some great feature that a lot of people want and would pay money for.

In my experience, having many credit cards is a complete pain to manage, because for each card you need to monitor the statement, set up the automatic payment (or do it manually), change the address when you move, etc, etc, and no sane person is going to want to do that for lots of cards. The fact that it also fills you your wallet is really the least of the problems you'll have.

It's nice to have one card as a backup, and some hardcore churners / points collectors are going to want 5 or 6 cards and use different cards for different categories... but they're real niches, it's not something that a mainstream, mass market consumer is going to want to manage.

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