Nice, isn't this 'lil bit expensive?
System76 is moving product design and manufacturing in house
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#12It's nice to see this - I'm definitely interested in seeing computers built and designed for Linux. I must say, however, I don't see that need for desktops. Custom desktops are relatively easy to build, even for customers. A well designed linux laptop, with no driver issues, good build quality, that doesn't sacrifice performance for thinness? That's what I'm missing.
Well, I have no issues building a desktop, but if somebody asked me about what (modern) components to choose for no driver issues, I wouldn't know.
Avoiding issues and getting support could certainly be worth something.
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#13The problem with this is that you either do something like what Apple does (and receive the hate for it) or then you do "what people want" and get this https://twitter.com/JonyIveParody/status/850350499840888833 AFAIK this whole System 76 blew up because of the disappointment in the newest Macbook Pro. People say they'd wanted bigger battery and more connectors -- however, I'm a bit skeptical if those would be enough…
The previous model of the Retina Macbook Pro 15" (the one without the touchbar) had a 99 watt hour battery, which is right at the limit for what they'll allow you to take on a plane. The new one with the touchbar is 76 watt hours.
I have a pre-touchbar model and it's more than thin enough. It can be done. To my mind, the question is can a company that doesn't have Apple's resources manufacture on the same level as Apple? I'm not sure.
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#14Nowadays I use Intel NUC boxes for Ubuntu LTS - stick in RAM and M2 disk and that is it, all done.
I don't see myself moving to System 76 unless they bring out an exceptional product. For instance, if they did a desktop that contained two motherboards, one for a 'server' and one for a 'client', then that would really help build web apps where you don't want your 'server' to be slowed down by your IDE, browser tabs and everything else 'client'. Such a system would have to have a SGI style unified file system that was quick from either client or server side, i.e. no NFS mounts.
Given that no such PC has ever existed(!) I don't see System 76 coming up with something crazy niche that 'every developer must have'.
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#15It's nice to see this - I'm definitely interested in seeing computers built and designed for Linux. I must say, however, I don't see that need for desktops. Custom desktops are relatively easy to build, even for customers. A well designed linux laptop, with no driver issues, good build quality, that doesn't sacrifice performance for thinness? That's what I'm missing.
Pretty much all lenovo Thinkpad laptops works perfectly fine with Linux. Source: I have about 5, different models.
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
They're doing desktops first but I do have to agree here. My daily is a x220 and I'm a big fan of the industrial yet slick feel of the machine.
> X220 And the keyboard, as well.
Thinkpads are awesome but I like X230 keyboard style better. The only thing that I don't like is PrintScreen button placement.
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#17Interesting.
System76 is not known to do they things they say in the article, though, like building laptops that work perfectly on Ubuntu and will work with future generations.
Hopefully their design will improve, too.
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#18I wish System 76 the best of luck, and it appears as they're now the main developer/sponsor of RedoxOS, which really excites me, but for some reason this blog post reads to me to have a healthy dose of naivety to it. It seems like they want to have their cake and eat it too. They talk about "robots and automation!" but do they actually know how to run a modern factory? Can the demand for desktop Linux systems actuall…
I hope they aren't taking on VC funding. Linux PCs is hardly likely to see a hockey stick growth curve, and I don't want to see a Linux PC manufacturer be forced to sell itself due to over-promising to a VC.
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#19The problem with this is that you either do something like what Apple does (and receive the hate for it) or then you do "what people want" and get this https://twitter.com/JonyIveParody/status/850350499840888833 AFAIK this whole System 76 blew up because of the disappointment in the newest Macbook Pro. People say they'd wanted bigger battery and more connectors -- however, I'm a bit skeptical if those would be enough…
Fallacy of the excluded middle. They can do something more than Apple (i.e. not just USB-C ports), but less than others. The Apple design doesn't end up being small or light, because to actually use it you need a plethora of connectors.
At a minimum, I would expect standard USB, headphone, sd card reader, standard HDMI, mini displayport.
You're going to have a hard time convincing me that an HDMI connector adds more than a few grams of weight. Thickness, maybe. But even then.
VGA and ethernet could be nice too, but wouldn't see much use in my case.
The battery could be removable (i.e. half internal half external, like the thinkpads).
Optical drive is obviously not much use in a laptop anymore and should be external. (this one actually adds weight and not just thickness)
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#20It's nice to see this - I'm definitely interested in seeing computers built and designed for Linux. I must say, however, I don't see that need for desktops. Custom desktops are relatively easy to build, even for customers. A well designed linux laptop, with no driver issues, good build quality, that doesn't sacrifice performance for thinness? That's what I'm missing.
Pretty much all lenovo Thinkpad laptops works perfectly fine with Linux. Source: I have about 5, different models.
Pretty much all laptops work perfectly fine with Linux. The only real reason to look for one with it preinstalled would be to avoid the MS tax.