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Re: Facebook: greater than 15% of employees are H1Bs

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Post by jordache »

YR372zm87 wrote: post #53
static_noise wrote: post #15

I don't see what makes workers born in America more important than workers born in any other country. Everybody should get the same chances.

As an American, workers born in the USA are more important to me. I care more about my neighbor's employment status, safety, and happiness than the family down the street. I care more about the guy down the street than the family across town... etc etc etc... I care more about some family in some US state that I'll never visit than a family over in India. The closer they are to me, the more their success and problems…

but these h1b holders live in your town, and possibly your next door neighbor.

gotcha!

Re: Facebook: greater than 15% of employees are H1Bs

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Post by akhilcacharya »

dragonwriter wrote: post #39
ebola1717 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention that technology has always been a bigger displacer of jobs than immigration. H1B allows 65K immigrants per year. Much more than that is displaced by self-driving cars, warehouse automation, etc.

> H1B allows 65K immigrants per year. H-1B allows zero immigrants per year, because it's a non-immigrant visa.

It is dual intent for a reason. It's why my parents are citizens, in fact (and by extension, myself).

Re: Facebook: greater than 15% of employees are H1Bs

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Post by stevenwoo »

threeseed wrote: post #13
NotSammyHagar wrote: post #4

I wish every one of these stories would talk about that there are at least a couple of different kinds of h1b's. Facebook mostly or only has employees doing real, original work. But companies like Tata just are hiring for basic, mostly non-creative IT work. The second category (I think) is much more likely to lead to displacement of native workers. It's at least much more questionable. But h1b's at Microsoft or Googl…

Many of the type of IT people Tata et al are hiring are in roles in which native workers either (a) don't want to do or (b) aren't trained to do. Specifically BAU type roles where there is no creativity, diversity, career prospects e.g. Oracle/Teradata DBAs, Legacy J2EE Systems, Basic System Administration etc. And sure they could hire younger, junior developers but actually they aren't suited because companies don't…

Except that's not what the H1-B program is for - exceptional skills.

This is the most famous recent example https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-06-05/senator-calls-probe-a...

It seems like you are arguing that if someone in America is working a non creative/somewhat static job they should be happy to be replaced with a H1-B employee.

Re: Facebook: greater than 15% of employees are H1Bs

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Post by virmundi »

balls187 wrote: post #57
reaperducer wrote: post #45

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I can't speak to Facebook, but all the H1B's I knew from Microsoft were drones at best. U of W churned out hundreds of people each year who would have loved to have those jobs.

College grads churned out by UW seem just as drone-like as H1B's.

That's the point. The H1B program should bring the best and brightest to the US due to a lack of skills and or availability in the high skilled areas. Drone work is by definition not high skilled areas. Therefore the H1B folk should not be here. Those jobs would then go to the drone college kids, or to some outsourcing firm. That is the intent of the law.

Re: Facebook: greater than 15% of employees are H1Bs

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Post by [deleted] »

balls187 wrote: post #57
reaperducer wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't speak to Facebook, but all the H1B's I knew from Microsoft were drones at best. U of W churned out hundreds of people each year who would have loved to have those jobs.

College grads churned out by UW seem just as drone-like as H1B's.

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Re: Facebook: greater than 15% of employees are H1Bs

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Post by jordache »

NotSammyHagar wrote: post #4

I wish every one of these stories would talk about that there are at least a couple of different kinds of h1b's. Facebook mostly or only has employees doing real, original work. But companies like Tata just are hiring for basic, mostly non-creative IT work. The second category (I think) is much more likely to lead to displacement of native workers. It's at least much more questionable. But h1b's at Microsoft or Googl…

creative threshold is subjective though. How do you draw the line? What is an easy litmus test that the bureaucrats can apply

Re: Facebook: greater than 15% of employees are H1Bs

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Post by an_cap »

gragas wrote: post #51
tvelichkov wrote: post #41

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So, we are not trying to make the word, a better place, just to "make America great again"? Good luck with that.

"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." I will always put my fellow Americans first.

Why is the sentiment "I will always put my fellow whites first" bad but the sentiment you espouse not?

Re: Facebook: greater than 15% of employees are H1Bs

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Post by calvinbhai »

Those abusing H1b visas are companies that are usually brought in to replace aging workforce. H-1b visa holders have very limited job portability, which lets the employer abuse the system.

If the H1b employee had full work authorization similar to a green card holder (give a 6 year full work auth to every H1b holder, and his/her spouse), then there wont be a question of enslaved H-1b employees trying to grab whatever peanuts thrown by these abusive companies.

H1b numbers can be very misleading, because a bigger number of high skilled immigrants (except Indians and Chinese) can skip the who H-1b hell and go directly to getting an EAD (full work authorization).

Better way to solve this problem, is to remove the concept of H1b, have very stringent L1 visas (even these are abused a lot), and give instant green cards to anyone who secures a job in US after graduating from a US university.

Re: Facebook: greater than 15% of employees are H1Bs

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Post by fredophile »

psykotic wrote: post #33
Buge wrote: post #11

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The obvious way to make H1B work for the high end software engineers is to approve applicants based on highest paid applicant first, instead of via a random lottery. It's fairly clear to me that this would be beneficial for the long term success of the United States. It's unclear to me what it would do to short term salaries for highly paid software engineers. Would it lower their salaries due to an increase in suppl…

> The obvious way to make H1B work for the high end software engineers is to approve applicants based on highest paid applicant first, instead of via a random lottery. This would grant a massive advantage to companies like Google and Facebook over smaller companies, and more generally to geographic locales and parts of the industry with higher pay. In terms of economic and competitive impact for those companies and f…

Massive companies already have an advantage when it comes to H1Bs. Because of the lottery system most H1B applicants will be rejected. If you have a small company and only need to hire 1-2 people how do you fill those positions with H1Bs? Apply for 2 and hope they both get it? What if they're both rejected? Even if they're accepted you have to have the applications done in the spring and they can't start work until the fall. Can a small company really afford to wait that long?

Your argument about the higher pay in certain areas is just wrong. Why can't a company in a lower cost of living area pay Silicon Valley rates? I'm getting paid more now in North Carolina than I was when I worked in Silicon Valley.

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