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Re: Notepad++ leaves SourceForge

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Gah, I wish there was a contact link on there that wasn't twitter. The typo "fondamental" bugs me, then when looking for contact info I found "Developper" done over and over.

Sadly, Notepad++ has never been the most professional project out there. It's decent, though I tend to think people who are obsessed with it need to back away from Windows for a second and try Kate.

So, I think this might illustrate that high on their features list should be 'English Spellcheck'.

Re: Notepad++ leaves SourceForge

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The law is ridiculous or complying with it? I think some people live in a fairy tale world. North Korea, for example, recently sunk a South Korean ship killing 41 people. There really are bad people in the world. Personally, I think the Cuba issue is legacy and it's probably time to resolve it. The fear of communism is long gone. Now I think it's just a matter of a bunch of rich voters in Florida who want their natio…

I agree, it's a law and they're following it. Sourceforge and Google are not responsible for that. As far as North Korea, um... so, when the US kills 25 Afghans at a wedding ("oops! my video-game like predator drone readout made it look like they were definitely terrorists") what does that mean? I guess France should stop exporting Notepad++ to the US. Correct? No, the issue is whether 'exporting' a text editor to N.…

"No, the issue is whether 'exporting' a text editor to N. Korea would REALLY make any difference. Perhaps the clueless, bribed, caviar-stuffed and prostitute-sucked morons in Congress think so, but most of them can hardly even send an email."

Think about this for a few milliseconds before ranting. How would you write a law that blocked the bad "exports" while allowing the good "exports" through? It's much less work to write and administer to just to block them all to countries like North Korea.

Re: Notepad++ leaves SourceForge

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, it's a law and they're following it. Sourceforge and Google are not responsible for that. As far as North Korea, um... so, when the US kills 25 Afghans at a wedding ("oops! my video-game like predator drone readout made it look like they were definitely terrorists") what does that mean? I guess France should stop exporting Notepad++ to the US. Correct? No, the issue is whether 'exporting' a text editor to N.…

"No, the issue is whether 'exporting' a text editor to N. Korea would REALLY make any difference. Perhaps the clueless, bribed, caviar-stuffed and prostitute-sucked morons in Congress think so, but most of them can hardly even send an email." Think about this for a few milliseconds before ranting. How would you write a law that blocked the bad "exports" while allowing the good "exports" through? It's much less work t…

I'd wager it's even less work not to block anything. Answer me this:

1) Can you point to scientific evidence, or even a carefully-reasoned argument, that blocking U.S.-hosted free software from "rogue" states like North Korea, Syria, or Iran either A) is a meaningful deterrent to the governments of such states or B) has a desirable effect on the citizens of those states?

2) Do you think it's likely that the people with power to make decisions about this actually thought rationally about any evidence or reasoning?

My provisional answers are 1) Not likely and 2) Fat chance.

Re: Notepad++ leaves SourceForge

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Barring coders from specific countries from using open source sounds totally wrong to me. The people are not the government in those countries, this ridiculous law harms the people more than the government. Still anyone able to read code will probably have no problem accessing the projects hosted in US based servers anyway.

Re: Notepad++ leaves SourceForge

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"No, the issue is whether 'exporting' a text editor to N. Korea would REALLY make any difference. Perhaps the clueless, bribed, caviar-stuffed and prostitute-sucked morons in Congress think so, but most of them can hardly even send an email." Think about this for a few milliseconds before ranting. How would you write a law that blocked the bad "exports" while allowing the good "exports" through? It's much less work t…

I'd wager it's even less work not to block anything. Answer me this: 1) Can you point to scientific evidence, or even a carefully-reasoned argument, that blocking U.S.-hosted free software from "rogue" states like North Korea, Syria, or Iran either A) is a meaningful deterrent to the governments of such states or B) has a desirable effect on the citizens of those states? 2) Do you think it's likely that the people wi…

1) No I can't. Can you prove the opposite? No. Pointless argument. Yes! So why even make it?

Can you find North Korea on this map?

http://paradoxoff.com/north-korea-night-map.html

I bet there aren't too many hackers staying up until dawn hacking on Notepad++. Why does a country with no electricity want to be on this list?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_wea...

People in power, or anyone else for that matter, really don't have the time to debate the finer points of the export laws (which includes free software), so it's probably better that they just made a simple law that even developers can understand.

Someday, this will go away: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Demilitarized_Zone

Then software developers can find another problem that they can solve from the comfort of their Aeron chair.

Re: Notepad++ leaves SourceForge

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"No, the issue is whether 'exporting' a text editor to N. Korea would REALLY make any difference. Perhaps the clueless, bribed, caviar-stuffed and prostitute-sucked morons in Congress think so, but most of them can hardly even send an email." Think about this for a few milliseconds before ranting. How would you write a law that blocked the bad "exports" while allowing the good "exports" through? It's much less work t…

I'd wager it's even less work not to block anything. Answer me this: 1) Can you point to scientific evidence, or even a carefully-reasoned argument, that blocking U.S.-hosted free software from "rogue" states like North Korea, Syria, or Iran either A) is a meaningful deterrent to the governments of such states or B) has a desirable effect on the citizens of those states? 2) Do you think it's likely that the people wi…

I'll have to agree with you here. Banning physical exports may make sense - if North Korea can't import plutionum it's not very likely they'll get it. Or at least it's posssible to police the ban.

If the North Korean regime really wants to download notepad++ it's as good as impossible for anyone to stop them. All they need is a proxy in another country. Or someone travelling with a USB stick, or just two people using dropbox on either side of the border. Code is very different from physical good in this regard.

Re: Notepad++ leaves SourceForge

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, it's a law and they're following it. Sourceforge and Google are not responsible for that. As far as North Korea, um... so, when the US kills 25 Afghans at a wedding ("oops! my video-game like predator drone readout made it look like they were definitely terrorists") what does that mean? I guess France should stop exporting Notepad++ to the US. Correct? No, the issue is whether 'exporting' a text editor to N.…

"No, the issue is whether 'exporting' a text editor to N. Korea would REALLY make any difference. Perhaps the clueless, bribed, caviar-stuffed and prostitute-sucked morons in Congress think so, but most of them can hardly even send an email." Think about this for a few milliseconds before ranting. How would you write a law that blocked the bad "exports" while allowing the good "exports" through? It's much less work t…

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Re: Notepad++ leaves SourceForge

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Aside from everything else, I like the new site design. I hate to say it, but the old one on SourceForge was sort of hideous. And it was kind of sad, because I really love this project - it's vibrant, and it's creating some really great things in Notepad++. I recommend Notepad++ to people constantly, but every time I'd find myself having to say "now when you go to this site... just ignore how ugly and confusing it is, and click the link to download." (And I always had to tell them what to click to download - note to devs out there, don't call the download link "binaries," no non-hacker knows what that means, and also it helps to underline and/or highlight links the way every other site on the internet does).

The new site looks kind of like it's a Drupal form, but it's simpler and more intuitive than the old one already. Sections that you can understand, clear links. Yay! It'll be nice to just give people the URL and tell them to check it out.

Re: Notepad++ leaves SourceForge

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Google does the same: http://code.google.com/projecthosting/terms.html Pretty ridiculous in this day and age.

The law is ridiculous or complying with it? I think some people live in a fairy tale world. North Korea, for example, recently sunk a South Korean ship killing 41 people. There really are bad people in the world. Personally, I think the Cuba issue is legacy and it's probably time to resolve it. The fear of communism is long gone. Now I think it's just a matter of a bunch of rich voters in Florida who want their natio…

"I think some people live in a fairy tale world."

You're also in a fairy tale world if you think that 'axis of evil' countries are not going to get their hands on whatever opensource software they like. Most of this stuff is mirrored all over the place and so there is little one can do to stop this (assuming it is worth stopping them in the first place).

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