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Re: Software company's response to Australian government abolishing migrant visas

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain?

It's really hard to find intermediate to senior devs in Australia and has been for nearly a decade. It's even harder now with a few big companies like Atlassian grabbing them up enmasse whenever they become available.

I've had quite a few friends pack up and move to the US, frustrated that it seemed to be the only option for growing their development work.

I guess this all depends where your perspective sits.

Re: Software company's response to Australian government abolishing migrant visas

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain?

It's really hard to find intermediate to senior devs in Australia and has been for nearly a decade. It's even harder now with a few big companies like Atlassian grabbing them up enmasse whenever they become available.

An inability to find intermediate and senior australian devs -- (but apparently not entry level) -- sounds like a failure of tech employers to grow talent. Shipping people in from overseas works around that problem, and so the problem goes unfixed.

If the industry got that problem fixed, they could drive down labor costs for all intermediate and senior devs, not just foreign ones.

Re: Software company's response to Australian government abolishing migrant visas

#24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really hard to find intermediate to senior devs in Australia and has been for nearly a decade. It's even harder now with a few big companies like Atlassian grabbing them up enmasse whenever they become available.

An inability to find intermediate and senior australian devs -- (but apparently not entry level) -- sounds like a failure of tech employers to grow talent. Shipping people in from overseas works around that problem, and so the problem goes unfixed. If the industry got that problem fixed, they could drive down labor costs for all intermediate and senior devs, not just foreign ones.

>sounds like a failure of tech employers to grow talent

I see this a lot but people making this argument never seem to consider the fact that demand can increase substantially in a field over a very small amount of time. You blame it on companies not training talent but haven't even considered that the numbers just aren't there.

Again costs aren't an issue so driving down costs is at best a tertiary goal.

Re: Software company's response to Australian government abolishing migrant visas

#25
post #6

They should just replace the whole shebang with 'pay us $x to get a visa, $y for PR, $z for citizenship'. Company wants to hire from overseas? Fine, they can figure out how to split the cost between company and employee, with zero government involvement. Rich people from the US seeking doomsday shelter? A few million dollars, a clean criminal record and less than 48 hours in the queue. Much easier than the current sy…

A business investment visa already is that.

Re: Software company's response to Australian government abolishing migrant visas

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really hard to find intermediate to senior devs in Australia and has been for nearly a decade. It's even harder now with a few big companies like Atlassian grabbing them up enmasse whenever they become available.

I've had quite a few friends pack up and move to the US, frustrated that it seemed to be the only option for growing their development work. I guess this all depends where your perspective sits.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. A lot of the top talent will go to the states because there are more opportunities for them there further draining the pool in Australia.

The companies that choose to remain in Australia then are handicapped by an inability to find good talent and either limit growth or move overseas. The later ones make the above developers choice even easier since there are now even more jobs over there.

Re: Software company's response to Australian government abolishing migrant visas

#27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had quite a few friends pack up and move to the US, frustrated that it seemed to be the only option for growing their development work. I guess this all depends where your perspective sits.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. A lot of the top talent will go to the states because there are more opportunities for them there further draining the pool in Australia. The companies that choose to remain in Australia then are handicapped by an inability to find good talent and either limit growth or move overseas. The later ones make the above developers choice even easier since there are now even more jobs over…

Very good point.

Re: Software company's response to Australian government abolishing migrant visas

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain?

It's really hard to find intermediate to senior devs in Australia and has been for nearly a decade. It's even harder now with a few big companies like Atlassian grabbing them up enmasse whenever they become available.

Now it becomes the responsibility of the industry to encourage students to study computer science in uni...

Re: Software company's response to Australian government abolishing migrant visas

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really hard to find intermediate to senior devs in Australia and has been for nearly a decade. It's even harder now with a few big companies like Atlassian grabbing them up enmasse whenever they become available.

Now it becomes the responsibility of the industry to encourage students to study computer science in uni...

And those students might be helpful for these roles in a decade. So do you expect these companies to survive just cooling their heels until then?

Re: Software company's response to Australian government abolishing migrant visas

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really hard to find intermediate to senior devs in Australia and has been for nearly a decade. It's even harder now with a few big companies like Atlassian grabbing them up enmasse whenever they become available.

An inability to find intermediate and senior australian devs -- (but apparently not entry level) -- sounds like a failure of tech employers to grow talent. Shipping people in from overseas works around that problem, and so the problem goes unfixed. If the industry got that problem fixed, they could drive down labor costs for all intermediate and senior devs, not just foreign ones.

Btw I'm one of those intermediate and senior australian devs. Looking at changing jobs if you're interested.
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