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Software company's response to Australian government abolishing migrant visas

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Re: Software company's response to Australian government abolishing migrant visas

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They should just replace the whole shebang with 'pay us $x to get a visa, $y for PR, $z for citizenship'. Company wants to hire from overseas? Fine, they can figure out how to split the cost between company and employee, with zero government involvement. Rich people from the US seeking doomsday shelter? A few million dollars, a clean criminal record and less than 48 hours in the queue. Much easier than the current sy…

You'll end up with a monoculture of uber rich foreigners - a problem that Australia already has. Maybe it would work when we introduce death taxes?

Re: Software company's response to Australian government abolishing migrant visas

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Can someone give me some context here? So now it's impossible to hire foreign workers?

Companies are only meant to use the visa to fill a need/gap where there are no local workers to fill a job. The minimum wage for the visa is $40,000 USD ($53k AUD). What companies are doing however, is hiring foreign workers (typically from India for IT based roles) and paying them $40k rather than the local average wage of $75-100k. They are using the visa as a method to decrease wage costs to almost half of what a…

So, essentially this parallels the H1-B situation in the US.

We are NOT (at least many of us) opposed to immigration. We want more Americans. What we don't want is a class of temporary workers to out-compete domestic workers because they 1) can't switch jobs and 2) are cheaper.

Re: Software company's response to Australian government abolishing migrant visas

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I'm guessing you haven't had to try and hire devs in Australia before if cost of developers is what you think the main problem is.

Can you explain?

It's really hard to find intermediate to senior devs in Australia and has been for nearly a decade. It's even harder now with a few big companies like Atlassian grabbing them up enmasse whenever they become available.

Re: Software company's response to Australian government abolishing migrant visas

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They should just replace the whole shebang with 'pay us $x to get a visa, $y for PR, $z for citizenship'. Company wants to hire from overseas? Fine, they can figure out how to split the cost between company and employee, with zero government involvement. Rich people from the US seeking doomsday shelter? A few million dollars, a clean criminal record and less than 48 hours in the queue. Much easier than the current sy…

Lots of countries already have that including the US.

Re: Software company's response to Australian government abolishing migrant visas

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing you haven't had to try and hire devs in Australia before if cost of developers is what you think the main problem is.

Can you explain?

As sanswork said, easy to get new devs, but as soon as they've put in a few years it's very easy to go out on your own or go overseas.

Re: Software company's response to Australian government abolishing migrant visas

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post #6

They should just replace the whole shebang with 'pay us $x to get a visa, $y for PR, $z for citizenship'. Company wants to hire from overseas? Fine, they can figure out how to split the cost between company and employee, with zero government involvement. Rich people from the US seeking doomsday shelter? A few million dollars, a clean criminal record and less than 48 hours in the queue. Much easier than the current sy…

You'll end up with a monoculture of uber rich foreigners - a problem that Australia already has. Maybe it would work when we introduce death taxes?

Almost all social problems created from this change in immigration policy can be fixed with money. And we'll be swimming in money. And we can use it to fix problems unrelated to this policy.

Re: Software company's response to Australian government abolishing migrant visas

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain?

It's really hard to find intermediate to senior devs in Australia and has been for nearly a decade. It's even harder now with a few big companies like Atlassian grabbing them up enmasse whenever they become available.

Sounds like they're simply expensive to hire, not necessarily hard to find.

Re: Software company's response to Australian government abolishing migrant visas

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You'll end up with a monoculture of uber rich foreigners - a problem that Australia already has. Maybe it would work when we introduce death taxes?

Almost all social problems created from this change in immigration policy can be fixed with money. And we'll be swimming in money. And we can use it to fix problems unrelated to this policy.

Yes money makes things easier. I think our biggest problems now are housing and the future of employment (aka the youth), unfortunately neither of these issues needs more money involved.

Re: Software company's response to Australian government abolishing migrant visas

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They should just replace the whole shebang with 'pay us $x to get a visa, $y for PR, $z for citizenship'. Company wants to hire from overseas? Fine, they can figure out how to split the cost between company and employee, with zero government involvement. Rich people from the US seeking doomsday shelter? A few million dollars, a clean criminal record and less than 48 hours in the queue. Much easier than the current sy…

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Re: Software company's response to Australian government abolishing migrant visas

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really hard to find intermediate to senior devs in Australia and has been for nearly a decade. It's even harder now with a few big companies like Atlassian grabbing them up enmasse whenever they become available.

Sounds like they're simply expensive to hire, not necessarily hard to find.

Say you need a senior developer and there are none on the market so you offer mine a 10% increase and free chocolate bars to come work for you. You now have a senior developer and I'm now in need of one but there are none of the market.

When you suggest someone pay developers more to hire them away from the competition you aren't solving the problem you are just moving it to another company.

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