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Re: MIT no longer owns 18.0.0.0/8

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sold, probably. Looking at https://www.leadertelecom.biz/ips/transfer , that could have brought in a nice sum of money (they ask #unicode code points in dollars per 65,536 addresses)

> "(they ask #unicode code points in dollars per 65,536 addresses)" Could someone explain this? I feel like I'm missing something (not the 2^16 addresses, the "#unicode code points")

There are 1,114,112 Unicode code points (17 times 64k), and that particular site happens to charge $17/IP, so for 64k IPs they happen to charge $1,114,112. Same idea as "number of libraries of Congress" or "number of Empire State Buildings", but nerdier.

Re: MIT no longer owns 18.0.0.0/8

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That's too bad. I think universities should make these resources that they've been granted available to students and researchers. Last time I was at the MIT media lab for a conference, I was able to get an unfirewalled external ip address from their wireless network. It was amazing. I briefly streamed live audio of a talk via shoutcast, but of course, nobody uses that stuff anymore. It really makes you ponder what a…

IPV6 solves this, plus even without you don't need anything close to this amount of IPs to do what you're describing. It's a fairly niche case to need that many public IPs and it seems a little crazy to hold that many just in case some researcher might want to use them.

Even your comment about streaming, seems like mainly nostalgia vs reality as you kind of admit. Any modern streaming infrastructure works from behind a NAT since most people are behind one these days.

Re: MIT no longer owns 18.0.0.0/8

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "(they ask #unicode code points in dollars per 65,536 addresses)" Could someone explain this? I feel like I'm missing something (not the 2^16 addresses, the "#unicode code points")

There are 1,114,112 Unicode code points (17 times 64k), and that particular site happens to charge $17/IP, so for 64k IPs they happen to charge $1,114,112. Same idea as "number of libraries of Congress" or "number of Empire State Buildings", but nerdier.

Thanks! That was very helpful.

edit: From wikipedia:

"Unicode comprises 1,114,112 code points in the range 0x0 to 0x10FFFF. The Unicode code space is divided into seventeen planes (the basic multilingual plane, and 16 supplementary planes), each with 65,536 (= 216) code points."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_point

Re: MIT no longer owns 18.0.0.0/8

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That's too bad. I think universities should make these resources that they've been granted available to students and researchers. Last time I was at the MIT media lab for a conference, I was able to get an unfirewalled external ip address from their wireless network. It was amazing. I briefly streamed live audio of a talk via shoutcast, but of course, nobody uses that stuff anymore. It really makes you ponder what a…

A student ran an IRC server (necromancy.poly.edu) that anyone could connect to from outside the network, if they used their student VPN. I love that that was possible.

There were so many cool projects that their network facilitated. I went to this exhibition, after the network "upgrade", and spoke to a student who's wearable device gets sensor readings from itself using HTTP to a node.js server hosted on a VPS. He was having latency issues.

Re: MIT no longer owns 18.0.0.0/8

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That's too bad. I think universities should make these resources that they've been granted available to students and researchers. Last time I was at the MIT media lab for a conference, I was able to get an unfirewalled external ip address from their wireless network. It was amazing. I briefly streamed live audio of a talk via shoutcast, but of course, nobody uses that stuff anymore. It really makes you ponder what a…

That's too bad. I think universities should make these resources that they've been granted available to students and researchers.

They are... indirectly. MIT can do far more to assist students and researchers using the money they raise by selling off IP addresses than they can by holding on to the addresses in case 16 million students all decide that they want to host their own podcasts.

Re: MIT no longer owns 18.0.0.0/8

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My how things change. At one point in the late 90s, I had an entire MIT Class C subnet at my house. Now, I've got 5 static IPs from Verizon FiOS on some ancient grandfathered plan. Years ago, they "changed" the addresses, prompting me to ask, "what part of 'static' is not clear?"

If you can find an ISP that supports IPv6 quite a few of them (maybe all?) support prefix delegation. A /64 isn't uncommon from ISPs in Seattle.

No friend of mine is on ipv6. No mobile phone I've seen supports ipv6.

Having an ipv6 prefix is useless to me (as someone that is behind the abomination called CGNAT / 'Dual Stack Lite').

Re: MIT no longer owns 18.0.0.0/8

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That's too bad. I think universities should make these resources that they've been granted available to students and researchers. Last time I was at the MIT media lab for a conference, I was able to get an unfirewalled external ip address from their wireless network. It was amazing. I briefly streamed live audio of a talk via shoutcast, but of course, nobody uses that stuff anymore. It really makes you ponder what a…

>I think universities should make these resources that they've been granted available to students and researchers.

MIT student body size: ~11,200

Unique IPs on this block: ~16.7 MILLION.

That's ~1500 unique IPs per student.[1]

>Students ran servers in their dorms. Clubs ran servers. Some professors ran servers.

Well, they're still keeping a whole boatload and IPv6 is here, so you're lamenting a scenario that isn't actually happening. MIT students will not have a shortage of IPs for such activities.

Sorry, but we're way past the point of any rational argument to reserve 16 million ipv4 IPs for such a tiny student body. IPv4 hoarding is counter-productive. It keeps organizations from moving to v6 in a timely fashion and over-powers organizations that ran quickly during the IP goldrush way back when. Its not merit based and its just dirty politics as far as I'm concerned. We have v6 now and setting up v6 to v4 gateways is trivial for v4-only destinations. If anything if you love hacking around and setting up boxen then you should be thrilled at what v6 is offering and the amount of addresses you can trivially get, not the opposite. Its legitimately democratizing due to the lack of scarcity while v4 allocation is nothing but representative of the dirty politics and dirty economics of scarcity.

I doubt Vint Cerf is crying in his cornflakes about MIT giving up v4 addresses, and I would assume he's thrilled to hear about v6 getting more traction:

Some researchers wanted a 128-bit space for the binary address, Cerf (recalled) ... But others said, "That's crazy," because it's far larger than necessary, and they suggested a much smaller space. Cerf finally settled on a 32-bit space that was incorporated into IPv4 and provided a respectable 4.3 billion separate addresses.

"It's enough to do an experiment," he said. "The problem is the experiment never ended."

http://www.networkworld.com/article/2227543/software/softwar...

[1] MIT is only giving up half of this mother lode, so each student merely is allocated ~700 each. MIT also claims 14m of those IPs have never been used in internet history.

https://gist.github.com/simonster/e22e50cd52b7dffcf5a4db2b8e...

Re: MIT no longer owns 18.0.0.0/8

#29
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For the uninitiated, can someone give a brief explanation of what that means?

They owned ~0.39% of the internet address as a single institution. Which is a lot, given MIT is less than 100K users and world is 7Billions sharing 4billions IPv4.

Re: MIT no longer owns 18.0.0.0/8

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post #20

Off-topic: When broadband came to my hometown around 2003 it was build out by a local guy so I managed to ask him to provide us a static IP address. I am always amused when I visit my parents that their IP address is still the same. Off-offtopic: The cable modem broke down once. We called the guy, he picked it up 20 minutes later, soldered the broken capacitor and we had our internet back in 2 hours. It was on a Satu…

> He didn't have to do any of that, he had monopoly on broadband on the entire area. Small ISPs are the best.

I'm guessing part of it is because they only preside over a small area that there's a human element to it, they must feel responsible for the internet of these people, and they're close enough to them (in the hierarchy) that that actually matters.

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