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Young White America Is Haunted by a Crisis of Despair

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Re: Young White America Is Haunted by a Crisis of Despair

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depending on the region and your experience you may consider asking for a raise or changing your job. You are probably (seriously) underpaid.

Pay in Germany is generally low. Where someone in Seattle would earn $120k to $140k easily, the same person in Germany may net only $40k to $50k. Housing and especially food & drink are much cheaper than the US though, $12 beers aren't anywhere near as common.

Wow! where is that? It's not even that expensive in the Bay Area... You can go to a dance club and pay $20 for a cocktail, but a $12 beer at a bar?

Even La Fin du Monde from Unibroue is $8 on draft at the Toronado on Haight... if you're into that kind of thing.

Re: Young White America Is Haunted by a Crisis of Despair

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post #19

I worry about this for my oldest son. He has dyspraxia and apraxia. In practice that means he has difficulty with memory (at 15 he still doesn't know his multiplication tables) and putting things in order (such as speaking - you have to put phonemes, words, sentences together in order to speak). But, he doesn't look like he has a disability and he doesn't speak much so people don't readily realize he doesn't talk lik…

I went to a school where a number of friends were not academic in the slightest. They left as soon as they could often with no qualifications but gradually learnt trades. Many now have their own businesses (one is a plasterer, another a builder) and they earn good money, own their own homes, and have no student debt. The reason? They had supportive parents. Many of the people who are falling into despair tragically c…

  Apraxia is a motor disorder caused by damage to the brain 
  (specifically the posterior parietal cortex), in which the 
  individual has difficulty with the motor planning to 
  perform tasks or movements when asked, provided that the 
  request or command is understood and he/she is willing to 
  perform the task.
I'm sure he would do great as a tradesman.

Re: Young White America Is Haunted by a Crisis of Despair

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We're at the point where the United State can either become utopia or dystopia. Automation can either allow everyone to do whatever they want with almost unlimited leisure, or continue as it has destroying the middle class and consolidating wealth for the elite. I used to be hardcore capitalism but if something isn't done to spread the wealth we are going to have our own French revolution with the plebes rising up ag…

It's difficult to imagine a violent uprising in a state with such militarized police and widespread, distributed armed forces presence as the US. When even outside of times of unrest, encounters with the police result in getting fatally shot or seriously injured much more frequently than in comparably high-HDI states [1][2], it would take the cooperation of police and the military to allow unrest to take its course i…

>encounters with the police result in getting fatally shot or seriously injured

Which absolutely enrages a large portion of the populace. The state can't just put down protests with violence and expect things to get better. Ruling through fear never works for long. History is littered with revolts that only became popular after everyone involved were slaughtered and normal people became sympathetic

Re: Young White America Is Haunted by a Crisis of Despair

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post #74

The article doesn't support its conclusion that drug addiction is caused by people's dim prospects. The man in this article was already an addict before he was old enough to have any perspective on his future potential. I think the deeper problem is that kids are not inspired to gain their own ambitions. So many people walk through life with no ambitions beyond what they plan on doing next weekend. I think a huge iss…

Chris Arnade has a lot of first-hand experience witnessing this modern despair. He writes, "What I saw was huge parts of US, more than reported, was filling with drugs. And where there was drug there was despair." Source: https://medium.com/@Chris_arnade/drugs-despair-and-trump-1c6...

Of course, economic hardship is at the heart of many of society's problems, drugs included. I don't argue with that. What I am skeptical of is the idea that people, once they reach adulthood and see dim prospects, turn to drugs to cope with that depression. The article you linked to pushes the same idea.

From my bubbled existence, most of the people who I went to school with who became drug addicts were always part of "the bad kids" cliques; those who always saw life through the prism of partying and never had ambitions to be much of anything. Maybe my perspective is totally wrong, and most drug addicts were B students who just decided not to go to college, but if that's the case I'd love hard data.

Re: Young White America Is Haunted by a Crisis of Despair

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is nonsense. Things got horrible for average workers at the dawn of the industrial revolution. Then they improved markedly due to progressive reforms, and are now rolling back in the face of regressive policies and rising inequality. It's not really that complicated. Progressive policies, regulation, and tax policy have better outcomes. There are just powerful and wealthy forces with vested interests working har…

The beginning of the industrial revolution was harsh, but it beat starving to death during a bad harvest year in previous eras. Also, you got to own more than one or two outfits over your entire life as Adam Smith noted.

this has more to do with governance than technology, imo. Even in the Bible Joseph recognized the need to store food for bad harvests and famine. We're fortunate that the industrial revolution was also paralleled by a revolution in the idea of government and the rights of man.

Re: Young White America Is Haunted by a Crisis of Despair

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post #19

I worry about this for my oldest son. He has dyspraxia and apraxia. In practice that means he has difficulty with memory (at 15 he still doesn't know his multiplication tables) and putting things in order (such as speaking - you have to put phonemes, words, sentences together in order to speak). But, he doesn't look like he has a disability and he doesn't speak much so people don't readily realize he doesn't talk lik…

I went to a school where a number of friends were not academic in the slightest. They left as soon as they could often with no qualifications but gradually learnt trades. Many now have their own businesses (one is a plasterer, another a builder) and they earn good money, own their own homes, and have no student debt. The reason? They had supportive parents. Many of the people who are falling into despair tragically c…

Did you reply to the wrong thread? Your reply would make a whole lot more sense in a completely different context.

Re: Young White America Is Haunted by a Crisis of Despair

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We're at the point where the United State can either become utopia or dystopia. Automation can either allow everyone to do whatever they want with almost unlimited leisure, or continue as it has destroying the middle class and consolidating wealth for the elite. I used to be hardcore capitalism but if something isn't done to spread the wealth we are going to have our own French revolution with the plebes rising up ag…

It's difficult to imagine a violent uprising in a state with such militarized police and widespread, distributed armed forces presence as the US. When even outside of times of unrest, encounters with the police result in getting fatally shot or seriously injured much more frequently than in comparably high-HDI states [1][2], it would take the cooperation of police and the military to allow unrest to take its course i…

  In 2008, state and local law enforcement agencies 
  employed more than 1.1 million people on a full-time 
  basis, including about 765,000 sworn personnel (defined 
  as those with general arrest powers).
So, 1 in 416 people in the US is a sworn law enforcement official. Not great odds for fighting armed revolt.

Re: Young White America Is Haunted by a Crisis of Despair

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As a parent, that mother's story is horrific. I couldn't imagine the pain of something like that. Not just because her son died, but there's no way she doesn't somehow blame herself for how he turned out (as I know I would).

Moving one, there's is something to be said for the effect of expectations. The data shows that you don't see the same levels of mortality rise in any other population. Simply put, us minorities don't have a false narrative of the American dream instilled in us and therefore don't expect to achieve it. We don't experience suicidal disappointment in ending up in a dead end job because our role models (parents grandparents) are statistically likely to have held those kind of jobs.

Personally I hate "white privilege" as a trope, but it does speak to something real: minorities, until very recently, were largely locked out of the American dream (as white people know it). The wealth of white households was 13 times the median wealth of black households and 10 times the wealth of hispanic households[1]. Numbers don't get like that over night. They are the result of generations of discrimination and institutional systems designed to exclude and screw with people that were not white. The point I'm making is that the average white person today probably doesn't even realize that, relative to other groups, their expectation of what a "nice" life is is basically seen as unattainable for others. Hence, we (POC) don't kill ourselves because we failed to reach the unattainable.

As the economy, and society, has diminished the ability for many whites (especially in rural areas) to take vantage of their "privilege" and they're forced to play the same game as the rest of us, they find themselves feeling like failures right out the gate and aren't quite sure why - hence the anxiety and subsequently despair.

The answer to this is not that white folks "check their privilege" - although it would help to stop being in denial about it and the effects it has on them and their expectations. The answer is to realize that rugged individualism is just a myth. In no other culture is this myth so central, and now so damaging. Despite what their parents and grandparents, and TV shows and movies have taught them, their relative success is not due to how much tougher they are than other folks and America is not, and has never been a meritocracy.

At this point, white America can continue to believe this rubbish at their own peril. Support policies that acknowledge people need other people and we will, evidently, kill ourselves if we go at everything alone as "rugged indivduals" unless the game is rigged in our favor (even if we don't realize it).

1: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/12/12/racial-wealt...

Re: Young White America Is Haunted by a Crisis of Despair

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they specify 'White' based on this passage: "While blacks and Hispanics without college degrees are also falling behind economically and socially, middle-age mortality has worsened for whites in particular over the past 20 years—a fact some attribute partly to social context. “For whites, their reference group is previous generations of whites,” said Shannon Monnat, a Pennsylvania State University professor w…

Essentially what that's saying is, white people now have black-people problems.

Brilliant, couldn't have been said better.

Re: Young White America Is Haunted by a Crisis of Despair

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post #19

I worry about this for my oldest son. He has dyspraxia and apraxia. In practice that means he has difficulty with memory (at 15 he still doesn't know his multiplication tables) and putting things in order (such as speaking - you have to put phonemes, words, sentences together in order to speak). But, he doesn't look like he has a disability and he doesn't speak much so people don't readily realize he doesn't talk lik…

I went to a school where a number of friends were not academic in the slightest. They left as soon as they could often with no qualifications but gradually learnt trades. Many now have their own businesses (one is a plasterer, another a builder) and they earn good money, own their own homes, and have no student debt. The reason? They had supportive parents. Many of the people who are falling into despair tragically c…

There is such a vast difference between someone "not academic in the slightest" and someone who is actively limited by severe learning disabilities. I'm sure you mean well by this statement, but I feel like it leads to the attitude that even the disabled just aren't trying hard enough, and if they'd only pull themselves up by their bootstraps the problems in the article would go away.

I find it borderline condescending that so many comments below are just handwaving this as "he should just be a plumber!" as if plumbers don't need to take training classes or remember specific technical details. If you're reading this thread and wondering why manual trades are undervalued in the US and also suggesting gp's son become an electrician, you're part of the problem.

>despite putting forth his best effort because he simply can't remember anything

Acting like this person should apprentice as a programmer as some have suggested is wishing the problem away.

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