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Young White America Is Haunted by a Crisis of Despair

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Re: Young White America Is Haunted by a Crisis of Despair

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From the article: “America is not a great place for people with only a high school degree, and I don’t think that’s going to get better anytime soon." That's it. It just doesn't take that many people to make all the stuff. Erie, PA isn't going to come back. The mantra used to be that people would be employed in "services". But services are more automated, too. Services done at some fixed location are rapidly being au…

> * Stock picking in an Amazon warehouse - robots taking over. I just wanted to offer a data point here, my buddy worked at the Amazon warehouse in Breinigsville PA a few months back and said he never saw a robot. Reading Hacker News I would have thought that Amazon had their robots widely deployed but that doesn't seem to be the case.

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Re: Young White America Is Haunted by a Crisis of Despair

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From the article: “America is not a great place for people with only a high school degree, and I don’t think that’s going to get better anytime soon." That's it. It just doesn't take that many people to make all the stuff. Erie, PA isn't going to come back. The mantra used to be that people would be employed in "services". But services are more automated, too. Services done at some fixed location are rapidly being au…

I saw that Redwood City robot. In it's current state, it's just for show. There was a guy trailing it with a joystick control.

Re: Young White America Is Haunted by a Crisis of Despair

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Its the power of capital over labor, whereby capital is extremely stratified in the hands of very few people, and they have shifted political power so as to avoid investment in the laborers (aka everyone below themselves) and ensure they do not become a threat. Additionally, they will usually influence monetary policy to ensure their status is never challenged, which is why rapidly rising housing prices aren't a majo…

Interestingly, capital holders are complaining all the time as well. There are very few places to put money now with a decent return. Savings accounts pay roughly 0%. Bonds are at inflation, or sometimes less. The S&P 500's P/E is at 25, which is historically very high, implies a rate of return of about 4%, and makes the risk of a correction significant. Real estate is inefficient; property prices are so high that th…

>> big innovation deficit.

>> not enough fundamental research going on to generate new technological opportunities.

And on the other hand, the news is full of items about technologies with large market impact, in almost every industry, and a lot of new technological building blocks. Some of it is crap, but still.

>> We see this in the returns to innovation .. rareness of those returns.

Maybe this is because of more intense competition - in the past you could had some years before someone copied you. Today, it happens much faster, and barriers to entry are often easier, at those stages.

Re: Young White America Is Haunted by a Crisis of Despair

#185

We're at the point where the United State can either become utopia or dystopia. Automation can either allow everyone to do whatever they want with almost unlimited leisure, or continue as it has destroying the middle class and consolidating wealth for the elite. I used to be hardcore capitalism but if something isn't done to spread the wealth we are going to have our own French revolution with the plebes rising up ag…

we've been in the dystopia column for a long time

Re: Young White America Is Haunted by a Crisis of Despair

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My grandfather was dyslexic and in his 92 years, he never could learn to read. He started his own garbage disposal business and became wealthy from it, eventually getting contracts with several significant municipalities in the Northwest before he sold it off. He surrounded himself with intelligent, well-educated people who would read the contracts to him and advise him (primarily his sons and wives, but also trusted…

Ah, that is the very definition of white privilege. This despairing young white America just doesn't realize they actually have it, unlike their truly hopeless minority counterparts.

Naturally this comment won't go well on HN.

Re: Young White America Is Haunted by a Crisis of Despair

#187

From the article: “America is not a great place for people with only a high school degree, and I don’t think that’s going to get better anytime soon." That's it. It just doesn't take that many people to make all the stuff. Erie, PA isn't going to come back. The mantra used to be that people would be employed in "services". But services are more automated, too. Services done at some fixed location are rapidly being au…

> * Stock picking in an Amazon warehouse - robots taking over. I just wanted to offer a data point here, my buddy worked at the Amazon warehouse in Breinigsville PA a few months back and said he never saw a robot. Reading Hacker News I would have thought that Amazon had their robots widely deployed but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Amazon has fulfillment center generations. They usually don't automate existing fulfillment centers; they build new ones and close the old ones. Kiva robots went in at Gen-8, in 2014.[1][2] Breinigsville PA was built in 2011, so it's not a Gen-8 center but is too new to replace.

[1] http://www.scdigest.com/ontarget/15-03-03-1.php?cid=9051 [2] https://vimeo.com/113374910

Re: Young White America Is Haunted by a Crisis of Despair

#188

We're at the point where the United State can either become utopia or dystopia. Automation can either allow everyone to do whatever they want with almost unlimited leisure, or continue as it has destroying the middle class and consolidating wealth for the elite. I used to be hardcore capitalism but if something isn't done to spread the wealth we are going to have our own French revolution with the plebes rising up ag…

>Automation can either allow everyone to do whatever they want with almost unlimited leisure This will literally never happen. The labor force will look a lot different, the average person will be much more educated. But we are never going to be in a perpetual state of leisure, or anything resembling it, lest we want to halt human progress in place. All automation does is allow us to focus on larger problems, or crea…

I think leisure in that context refers to doing-what-you-enjoy not to not-doing-anything. Or as the old saying goes, if you do what you love you never have to work a day in your life.

Re: Young White America Is Haunted by a Crisis of Despair

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>Automation can either allow everyone to do whatever they want with almost unlimited leisure This will literally never happen. The labor force will look a lot different, the average person will be much more educated. But we are never going to be in a perpetual state of leisure, or anything resembling it, lest we want to halt human progress in place. All automation does is allow us to focus on larger problems, or crea…

majority of people simply won't be able to help with the complex problems that push human progress forward. What do you suggest we do with them?

what does "push human progress forward" mean?

Re: Young White America Is Haunted by a Crisis of Despair

#190
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Its previous generations non college educated whites who are previously lived in rural areas which better job prospects then today. The fact that the mortality gab is closing is nothing to do with race and more to do with economics. Showing that race isn't the factor, but the reporting instead focuses on race like this is some kind of white person problem. All we are seeing is the economic collapse that hit inner cit…

It has to do with race in that racial privilege used to have a higher economic premium than it does now. It would be facile toignore this fact; economics isn't some indepedent objective force, but the product of social and structural factors that are ultimately arbitrary. I'm a big fan of Colin Woodard's book American Nations , which examines the very different social, economic and cultural assumptions of 11 differen…

I would debate that this is less racial privilege and more locality based. These areas that are now becoming economically depressed are ones that could support the wage depression that drove jobs out of the city decades ago ( and with them drove anyone who could afford to flee out of the city ). I think you are right on, but we need to understand that, while race provided differing social and structural factors, the issue is not someone's race, and to make the problems focus on race distracts from the real issue. This is everyone's problem.
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