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Re: Heroku for PHP - Private Beta Signup

#21

Interesting idea! I'm curious to see what exactly this service provides (considering PHP deployment isn't exactly hard, as others mentioned). I would certainly love to see such a setup for Python frameworks...

Doesn't Google AppEngine solve this for Python?

It mostly does, except that the environment is restrictive enough it's not like normal Python, everyone who uses App Engine really writes for App Engine.

Re: Heroku for PHP - Private Beta Signup

#22
post #18

I don't think there's a huge market for what Heroku does in the PHP world. With Rails, you want to run it as a long-running process. The amount of time to spin up a (Thin|Mongrel|Unicorn|etc.) is too long to do it based on a user request for a page and it's why Rails isn't run as a CGI. PHP is a bit different. The language is typically embedded in the server and then the individual files are parsed and run. There's l…

i disagree, somewhat. yes, this won't provide truly comparable services to heroku. clearly. the languages and stack don't work the same way.

but i think the point of this is to communicate the fact that they're abstracting out the server and scalability details. i'd pay to not have to worry about all that stuff and just work on the app.

if this thing will handle the server for me, keep it secure and up to date, provide me with a database that will scale with my app like amazon's RDS, provide me with meaningful data and metrics about my server/application/database, and provide me with things to make common tasks easier (deploying), then imo, it is worth me paying for it, or paying a small premium on top of what i'd be paying amazon or whoever. but then again, i'm a solo bootstrapper. the more time i have to develop, the better.

"heroku for php" might not be a great choice of a tagline from a strategic perspective, but it is a decent one if you want to consider SEO and organic search results.

Re: Heroku for PHP - Private Beta Signup

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post #22
post #18

I don't think there's a huge market for what Heroku does in the PHP world. With Rails, you want to run it as a long-running process. The amount of time to spin up a (Thin|Mongrel|Unicorn|etc.) is too long to do it based on a user request for a page and it's why Rails isn't run as a CGI. PHP is a bit different. The language is typically embedded in the server and then the individual files are parsed and run. There's l…

i disagree, somewhat. yes, this won't provide truly comparable services to heroku. clearly. the languages and stack don't work the same way. but i think the point of this is to communicate the fact that they're abstracting out the server and scalability details. i'd pay to not have to worry about all that stuff and just work on the app. if this thing will handle the server for me, keep it secure and up to date, provi…

This wholly encapsulates the philosophy we are bringing to PHP Fog... let us deal with the plumbing and you deal with development.

Re: Heroku for PHP - Private Beta Signup

#24
post #7

Put in my email for an invite, its going to come down to pricing. My initial skepticism is that deploying PHP apps is easy, and Fantastico already gives us 1-click installs for stuff like Drupal and Wordpress. So you'll have to provide all the value on the sysadmin side. However, we do have a couple of apps that require load balancing. I'm pretty happy with the dedicated server and load balancing prices we get from W…

The benefit here is the git integration. I'd also assume that the control panel is going to be thousands of times easier to use and more efficient than Cpanel/Fantastico (which is pretty gross in my opinion) I also dropped my email address in out of interest, but I agree this is definitely something that isn't needed for PHP. The web that we have right now was built for PHP. 99.9999% of hosts support it out of the bo…

Why is Google App Engine not the answer for Python? Is it "the man" element or is there something at a technical level you don't like or missing?

Re: Heroku for PHP - Private Beta Signup

#25
post #4

like Heroku, but better Somehow I doubt that, but the service looks interesting. I wonder if there is a market for high quality PHP hosting.

"Like Heroku but for PHP" would have been a less arrogant slogan IMHO.

Actually a lot of top tier websites are built in PHP (Facebook's front end is a good example) and so I don't doubt there is middle tail in there that might jump on a Heroku-style managed black box hosting platform.

Re: Heroku for PHP - Private Beta Signup

#27
post #16

Hey fellow hackers, would love your feedback for making this a killer service.

How is this going to be different than Fantastico that already comes with just about every CPanel hosting solution? I don't know many hosts that don't allow 1-click install of tons of PHP apps already. I think Heroku mattered because of Ruby... right?

fantastico installs programs. i think the point of phpfog is to completely handle all aspects of the server and scaling it so that you can work on developing the application.

Re: Heroku for PHP - Private Beta Signup

#28
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i disagree, somewhat. yes, this won't provide truly comparable services to heroku. clearly. the languages and stack don't work the same way. but i think the point of this is to communicate the fact that they're abstracting out the server and scalability details. i'd pay to not have to worry about all that stuff and just work on the app. if this thing will handle the server for me, keep it secure and up to date, provi…

This wholly encapsulates the philosophy we are bringing to PHP Fog... let us deal with the plumbing and you deal with development.

So, it's basically a PHP shared hosting with source control(git)? I would try it.

Re: Heroku for PHP - Private Beta Signup

#29
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This wholly encapsulates the philosophy we are bringing to PHP Fog... let us deal with the plumbing and you deal with development.

So, it's basically a PHP shared hosting with source control(git)? I would try it.

It will let you seamlessly grow from shared to dedicated hosting (and back again) as needed for either your application serving or database needs.

Re: Heroku for PHP - Private Beta Signup

#30
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The benefit here is the git integration. I'd also assume that the control panel is going to be thousands of times easier to use and more efficient than Cpanel/Fantastico (which is pretty gross in my opinion) I also dropped my email address in out of interest, but I agree this is definitely something that isn't needed for PHP. The web that we have right now was built for PHP. 99.9999% of hosts support it out of the bo…

Why is Google App Engine not the answer for Python? Is it "the man" element or is there something at a technical level you don't like or missing?

Google limits you to using their own key/value store instead of a regular, relational DB. This makes it hard to migrate to and from GAE, so there's a fair bit of vendor lock-in.

A Heroku app can run anywhere else, out of the box.

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