http://isfiberreadyyet.com/
> This page is rendered with it. Yep, I can tell from the 5 seconds of blank screen while my phone browser loads all that JS.
This app was written by a manager, don't read into it too much ;)
Facebook Announces React Fiber, a Rewrite of Its React Framework
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Re: Facebook Announces React Fiber, a Rewrite of Its React Framework
#232I'll repeat the comment I made in the "React 15.5" thread a couple weeks ago ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14063818 ): For those who are interested in some of the details of the work that's going on, Lin Clark's recent talk on "A Cartoon Intro to Fiber" at ReactConf 2017 is excellent [0]. There's a number of other existing writeups and resources on how Fiber works [1] as well. The roadmap for 15.5 and 16.0 m…
I admire your exceptional work cataloguing these resources. However, just one look at that giant horde of links is, to me, a perfect demonstration of why the front-end development ecosystem is way out of control. Its amazing to me that the autoconf/automake/libtool system for making write-once-run-everywhere *nix applications is downright simple by today's standards. Every year the hot libraries change, the build too…
And thus, yet another insipid "hey let's argue about JS fatigue!" comment clobbers another HN comment page, with 100+ replies not one of which has anything to do with TFA.
Re: Facebook Announces React Fiber, a Rewrite of Its React Framework
#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not the OP, but I expect the web to be a thing where documents (i.e. mainly text) don't have any issues rendering on my 5-year old phone or on my 8-year laptop (both of which work very well, still, and which I don't plan to replace anytime soon). The recent web practices (I'm talking mostly of the last 2-3 years, since more and more people have started copying Twitter with its launch of its "every website needs to be…
And I would love if my 2001 Honda Accord was compatible with Tesla's autopilot, but I understand it is not a realistic expectation. I'm not sure why you'd expect the web to be a. Mostly text and b. able to render easily on obsolete devices. The web is becoming a robust application delivery platform. That is so, so awesome. Most people do not want to be stuck with shitty looking, text only websites. Moving the platfor…
The point isn't that the web should be mostly text, but that it shouldn't comprise of layers and layers of unnecessary fiddle-faddle that doesn't add anything useful to the end-user's experience.
If you can convey what your trying to convey with a JS-less (or even just JS-lite) 2-page website, then don't build a monolithic, scroll-hijacking, background-parallaxing fireworks show of a website, tied together with the most tenuous of Javascript libraries.
I'm all for the web as an application delivery platform, but not every website, or application, needs so much bulk.
Re: Facebook Announces React Fiber, a Rewrite of Its React Framework
#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know about others but I tire of these comments chiding the "out of control" front-end ecosystem. The situation has already changed years ago. We aren't going to get off of your lawn while you continue to beat a dead horse. The web is built on open standards and there are billions of pages and apps out there. To expect web development to be a perfect monoculture is a failure of your imagination and ability to…
Not the OP, but I expect the web to be a thing where documents (i.e. mainly text) don't have any issues rendering on my 5-year old phone or on my 8-year laptop (both of which work very well, still, and which I don't plan to replace anytime soon). The recent web practices (I'm talking mostly of the last 2-3 years, since more and more people have started copying Twitter with its launch of its "every website needs to be…
Amen! React might be the best tool for building hybrid mobile or even cross platform electron apps, but the truth is, it suck balls for web development.
Bundling the entire website inside a single js file, that needs to be re-downloaded everytime you add a div or change a single css class is stupid, sorry.
Your website doesn't need to be pure text. It can be beautiful, modern and responsive. And it doesn't need much js for that.
The world has become mobile first, not js-centric. Pushing spa everywhere is just wrong.
Re: Facebook Announces React Fiber, a Rewrite of Its React Framework
#235I'll repeat the comment I made in the "React 15.5" thread a couple weeks ago ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14063818 ): For those who are interested in some of the details of the work that's going on, Lin Clark's recent talk on "A Cartoon Intro to Fiber" at ReactConf 2017 is excellent [0]. There's a number of other existing writeups and resources on how Fiber works [1] as well. The roadmap for 15.5 and 16.0 m…
I admire your exceptional work cataloguing these resources. However, just one look at that giant horde of links is, to me, a perfect demonstration of why the front-end development ecosystem is way out of control. Its amazing to me that the autoconf/automake/libtool system for making write-once-run-everywhere *nix applications is downright simple by today's standards. Every year the hot libraries change, the build too…
React has been "the yearly hot library" since 2013 for anybody counting along.
Re: Facebook Announces React Fiber, a Rewrite of Its React Framework
#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know about others but I tire of these comments chiding the "out of control" front-end ecosystem. The situation has already changed years ago. We aren't going to get off of your lawn while you continue to beat a dead horse. The web is built on open standards and there are billions of pages and apps out there. To expect web development to be a perfect monoculture is a failure of your imagination and ability to…
> I don't know about others but I tire of these comments chiding the "out of control" front-end ecosystem Old people also get tired by all these "apps" wining for your attention; they want "just a phone". Young people grew up with it. Note to self: I'm getting old. Old people were used to buying development toolset (compiler+tools+IDE), usually including a physical book, with which they can create software. Young peo…
>Old people also get tired by all these "apps" wining for your attention; they want "just a phone". Young people grew up with it.
Re: Facebook Announces React Fiber, a Rewrite of Its React Framework
#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
I admire your exceptional work cataloguing these resources. However, just one look at that giant horde of links is, to me, a perfect demonstration of why the front-end development ecosystem is way out of control. Its amazing to me that the autoconf/automake/libtool system for making write-once-run-everywhere *nix applications is downright simple by today's standards. Every year the hot libraries change, the build too…
It's like the Engineering teams at Google and Facebook have never heard of Microsoft or Sun or Adobe. There are so many lessons (learnt the hard way) in the evolution of .NET, Java and Flash that these guys seem to be completely oblivious too. Google, Facebook devs please go spend some time with the language and platform greybeards at Microsoft. EDIT: Feels like Software Engineering needs a set of Software History te…
To be fair, I'm pretty sure some of the engineers at Google and Facebook have spent some time with the language and platform graybeards at Microsoft, Sun, or Adobe. Some of them are those "graybeards" (in quotes, because they don't literally have gray beards). [1]
[1] : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lars_Bak_(computer_programmer)
Re: Facebook Announces React Fiber, a Rewrite of Its React Framework
#238How does it compare with vue.js? I never worked with any modern JS framework like this but on paper I did not like writing CSS in javascript and vue.js had a normal way to write CSS and to me it looked superior in other ways as well.
What was your objection to writing CSS in JS? It would seem like a fairly trivial syntactic transition to go from one to the other? It's just selectors with a dictionary of properties right?
Writing CSS in Javascript brings back memories of pre-2000 web development, table based layouts and more horribly inline styles inside HTML tags. CSS was a breath of fresh air, it meant separation of concerns.. HTML the content and CSS the visual representation. With the advent of jQuery it allowed separation of behavior as well.
With frameworks like React these days, content+behavior is in JavaScript already, and with writing CSS in JavaScript, we've gone back 1.5 decades I think.
Re: Facebook Announces React Fiber, a Rewrite of Its React Framework
#239How does it compare with vue.js? I never worked with any modern JS framework like this but on paper I did not like writing CSS in javascript and vue.js had a normal way to write CSS and to me it looked superior in other ways as well.
Check out styled-components. It's 100% CSS and it's awesome.
https://github.com/styled-components/styled-components
Edit: for the record there's nothing stopping you from using CSS files with classnames on your tags as usual, but libraries like styled-components allow you to easily scope and collocate your CSS with your components.
Re: Facebook Announces React Fiber, a Rewrite of Its React Framework
#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
I admire your exceptional work cataloguing these resources. However, just one look at that giant horde of links is, to me, a perfect demonstration of why the front-end development ecosystem is way out of control. Its amazing to me that the autoconf/automake/libtool system for making write-once-run-everywhere *nix applications is downright simple by today's standards. Every year the hot libraries change, the build too…
I don't know about others but I tire of these comments chiding the "out of control" front-end ecosystem. The situation has already changed years ago. We aren't going to get off of your lawn while you continue to beat a dead horse. The web is built on open standards and there are billions of pages and apps out there. To expect web development to be a perfect monoculture is a failure of your imagination and ability to…
It won't change the fact that a lightweight scripting language is coerced into running increasingly heavier apps. Defending it, comes off as a Stockhilm syndrome really.