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How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media
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#62I know at times I may sound like a shill for Patreon, but I have no connection to them whatsoever beyond "normal customer", and don't care if you use a competitive service to them or whatever. But if you are in the position of finding yourself with a growing show like this, I implore you to set up some sort of voluntary subscription revenue as soon as possible, before you embed into the very foundation of your conten…
If you like a persons content enough to pay them for it, then it might make sense to view the videos some way that isn't youtube. Perhaps, Pateron should team up with someone and offer the video hosting perhaps.
I'd like to see competition for youtube. They'd fuck up less if there were a more compelling reason for them to stop fucking up.
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#63I don't understand why non-youtubers care about these nuisance. These 'independent media' provides little to no value or productivity, these people are mostly equivalent to those who dance on the train or street to get money. Online, they get the money by deterring from their own content to who-knows-what advertisers who paid the most. If anyone actually produces any value in need, they should be able to create a bus…
Because people enjoy the content provided by these creators. For what its worth, all the ones I follow switched from ads to Patreon or ads+Patreon.
This has been my experience too. Just in the last few weeks basically all of the channels I follow have had a total freak out and started patreon to save their livelihood.
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
10,000 ad views means supporting yourself from ad revenue? I mean if one person buys a t-shirt you've probably made more money, so I don't really see the advantage to ad revenue over merchandising, Patreon etc.
No. YouTube announced recently that they aren't paying out on videos with less than 10K views. http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/6/15209220/youtube-partner-pr...
By "make money", they meant "make more than peanuts", not "make their first $0.01".
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#65I know at times I may sound like a shill for Patreon, but I have no connection to them whatsoever beyond "normal customer", and don't care if you use a competitive service to them or whatever. But if you are in the position of finding yourself with a growing show like this, I implore you to set up some sort of voluntary subscription revenue as soon as possible, before you embed into the very foundation of your conten…
From a user's perspective, though, I'm a little annoyed how Patreon has "won" in terms of user-backed content. I don't want to commit to a monthly. I would've preferred if something like Flattr had market dominance for this kind of thing. Although obviously, content producers sided with Patreon because it gives them predictable income, which keeps them from starving.
As a content creator a small monthly fee can be better. Otherwise you risk everything to turn into a "gifrecipe" format. Monthly income can make it possible to make more in depth content.
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#66A few years ago I did an evaluation of google seo to assist with a project. I distinctly remember my conclusion being that due to the proprietary and closed source nature of the algorithms google is using, I predicted they would be tempted to artificially manipulate them to produce profit through siphoning the ad revenue, and that I suspected it was already happening to the blackhat seo technique sites. They weren't…
Legal discovery is a pretty good disincentive to trying this when you're Google's size.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
10,000 ad views means supporting yourself from ad revenue? I mean if one person buys a t-shirt you've probably made more money, so I don't really see the advantage to ad revenue over merchandising, Patreon etc.
No. YouTube announced recently that they aren't paying out on videos with less than 10K views. http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/6/15209220/youtube-partner-pr...
Just to clarify this it's 10K views for the channel overall, not individual videos.
If your channel has 10k views total across all videos, you can monetise the next video from viewer 1.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
This sounds like a problem worth solving. What about a browser add-on, something like Patreauto? You could budget some amount per month, and it would automatically distribute payments to the top 40 video creators you watch?
What you're describing is effectively what YouTube Red does. You pay a flat monthly amount and revenue is distributed out to creators based upon the videos you watch. [0] Full disclosure: I work at YouTube but not on Red. [0] https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6306276?hl=en
As soon as you guys bring Red to the UK I'm on it. Do you know of anything about the rollout schedule? It actually feels like YouTube's given up on Red from this end of the pond.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
The flipside to this is that there are people who will never ever pay money for your content, and ad revenue is the only way to directly capitalize on your popularity among those people. This also means that when your ad revenue disappears, you will NEVER get that revenue back. Your only recourse is to get more popular, as your supporters are already buying your merchandise and donating. It's going to become much mor…
> ad revenue is the only way to directly capitalize on your popularity among those people. Are these people clicking ads, though? I doubt it. And if not, you aren't monetizing them directly via that method, either.
Most advertising is cost per impression, not click. Search is pretty much the only major cost per click type of advertising.
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
No. YouTube announced recently that they aren't paying out on videos with less than 10K views. http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/6/15209220/youtube-partner-pr...
Just to clarify this it's 10K views for the channel overall, not individual videos. If your channel has 10k views total across all videos, you can monetise the next video from viewer 1.
Thanks, that was unclear from YT messaging.