H-1B visas mainly go to Indian outsourcing firms
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H-1B visas mainly go to Indian outsourcing firms
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Re: H-1B visas mainly go to Indian outsourcing firms
#2Appending the subtitle of the article ("That is not a good argument against them") to the title would more accurately describe it.
Re: H-1B visas mainly go to Indian outsourcing firms
#3Appending the subtitle of the article ("That is not a good argument against them") to the title would more accurately describe it.
I don't see how changing the title from a fact to a fact + an opinion would make it more accurate
Re: H-1B visas mainly go to Indian outsourcing firms
#4Appending the subtitle of the article ("That is not a good argument against them") to the title would more accurately describe it.
I don't see how changing the title from a fact to a fact + an opinion would make it more accurate
Because facts are often stated in the context of opinion. It's not about accuracy, it's also about relevancy.
Re: H-1B visas mainly go to Indian outsourcing firms
#5Related, Trump's executive order from today which mentions H-1Bs :
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/04/18/presi...
And a quote from the NYT article[1]:
“This does nothing,” said Senator Charles Schumer of New York, the Democratic leader. “Like all the other executive orders, it’s just words — he’s calling for new studies. It’s not going to fix the problem. It’s not going to create a single job.”
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/18/us/politics/executive-ord...
Re: H-1B visas mainly go to Indian outsourcing firms
#6Regardless of where these jobs are going, H1-Bs are used for the cheap labor, not the best skills. This system has been abused especially by the financial services corporations.
First hand experience: If you have an open request to hire, you are required to first look to one of the few outsourcing firms we have a contract with. You cannot post the job for external until you have searched for the "best" person within their ranks. The "Best" being somebody super cheap & not qualified, but they assure us that person will learn on the job. I'd rather hire a full time College or High school graduate from the USA at a reasonable cost, train & maybe they will stay for the duration, but I know I'll get great work out of that person, better than the outsourced person.
America is being scammed by the our own American Corporations. I've seen too many people lose their jobs because of outsourcing & they didn't fall back on their feet.
I'd like to see the next Steve Jobs, Bill Gates come out of providing good paying jobs to US Citizens.
Re: H-1B visas mainly go to Indian outsourcing firms
#7Article's concluding sentences: "Reducing the number of visas for TCS and its brethren would probably result in them shifting work to India. A better change would be to end the rule whereby H-1B recipients must stay with the company that sponsored them. For within their ranks may lurk the next Elon Musk or Sergey Brin."
Personally I find this line of thought (cliche?) frustrating. Not just because apparently us proles should be making our policy decisions based merely on whether we just might get to bask in some future billionaire's magnificence, but also because, isn't this a somewhat empirically testable proposition? That is, how many Musk-like or Brin-like individuals have come through TCS or Wipro or Infosys on a H-1B so far?
Re: H-1B visas mainly go to Indian outsourcing firms
#8Appending the subtitle of the article ("That is not a good argument against them") to the title would more accurately describe it.
I don't see how changing the title from a fact to a fact + an opinion would make it more accurate
Particularly when the body of the article also makes no attempt to argue for them either. The best it can muster is a weak recommendation to end the rule where H1B's are forced to stay with the sponsoring company.
Re: H-1B visas mainly go to Indian outsourcing firms
#9For those in the thread who struggled for H1B's chance of winning, I'd recommend considering an O1 visa - I think the requirement is slightly lower to apply than previous years, and O1 doesn't have a lottery process.
I've stayed in the US as a collage student, then graduate student from a top university then starting my company for a total of 9 years. I lost the H1B lottery twice and have been on F1 then F1-OPT, then F1-OPT-STEM_EXT in the first 8 years. I recently successfully converted into an O1 this year, therefore finally bypassing the H1B lottery. I consider the O1 visa a life saver but not everyone is that lucky to be able to apply. Now the thing is, my O1 visa is a single-entry visa, meaning I have to stay in US for 3 years until it expires and I can't leave the country otherwise I can never come back to this country again.
Edit: Obviously someone found out that O1 is single entry for Chinese nationals, and it might not be the case for most other nationals.
Re: H-1B visas mainly go to Indian outsourcing firms
#10"Given that the unemployment rate for college graduates sits at 2.5%, it is fair to say that most native workers displaced by H-1Bs land on their feet."
That's completely ignoring the fact that if you have cheaper workers, you end up being underpaid and/or doing a job you'd rather not be doing. Unemployment rate alone don't tell the whole story, and failing to acknowledge that sounds like poor/partial journalism to me