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What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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Post by bobwaycott »

Mz wrote: post #75
svv wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This falls under the Explanation #2: Human capital. By the way, the post does not mention whether the study controlled for wives staying at home.

Except for the detail that the article entirely credits the man with being more productive and in no way whatsoever suggests that his wife's work in any way whatsoever contributes to it: Maybe marriage makes men work more hours; maybe it makes them work harder per hour; maybe it makes them control their tempers better; maybe all of these and more. It gives zero credit to the wife somehow genuinely enhancing his life…

Yeah, the omission of unpaid female labor at home as a factor to consider is glaring.

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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Post by anqh4 »

civilian wrote: post #74
anqh4 wrote: post #30

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I forgot 3, then: 3. Employers assume married men, especially if they have children, are hard workers and responsible

I'm glad you're being complete :) But, can you see why it'd be good to study this? Which one of the three is it? Or if it a mix, and what is the mix?

Of course it would be good! My comment was facetious... in part ;-)

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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Post by dasil003 »

DonHopkins wrote: post #59
dasil003 wrote: post #49

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I think it's valuable to have multiple lenses. One thing I feel has increased dramatically over the last few decades is that if you use the wrong lens when speaking the wrong audience then a witch hunt ensues. Something about the internet has enabled tribalism without personal liability, which is a powder keg of situation that leads to the sort of political outcomes we are currently seeing.

There's no value in looking through what you believe is a "current hysterical liberal lens", when it actually makes you act hysterically dramatic and reinforces your inaccurate prejudices against liberals. cm2187: Can you provide some actual proof that liberals believe that anyone who thinks or suggests otherwise than what you're dramatically parodying should be silenced? Or are you just being as hysterical as you ac…

Your first sentence does not track to me, you're conflating the observer's lens and the lens he's observing. "hysterical" is just editorial, the actual lens in question is just the current popular liberal worldview.

And yes, it's possible to believe that that lens has value while simultaneously recognizing that some people use it like a weapon to bludgeon anyone who doesn't conform to the party line. Maybe you think the first comment is in poor taste, but I encourage you to soberly consider: is cm2187 a chauvinist pig at war with equality, or is he a disinterested humorist pointing out an absurdity?

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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Post by marcosdumay »

ianai wrote: post #3

They routinely give the men with children/wives the better hours, pay, and whatever else at my work. They just changed several peoples' schedules so that my peer could have Saturdays off with his kid. Contrast that with myself: I have requested the same shift and been denied. I don't have kids. I also have better reasons to be on that shift. In my anecdotal experience, it appears classist. I would file that under 'hu…

On the article language, that would be 'signaling'. This is the usual name for unfair discrimination in economics.

The 'human capital' name refers to real increase in production, on this case, probably because people tolerate higher hours and shitter jobs and 'ability bias' because of higher competence people self-selecting into marriage.

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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Post by Mz »

bobwaycott wrote: post #81
Mz wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except for the detail that the article entirely credits the man with being more productive and in no way whatsoever suggests that his wife's work in any way whatsoever contributes to it: Maybe marriage makes men work more hours; maybe it makes them work harder per hour; maybe it makes them control their tempers better; maybe all of these and more. It gives zero credit to the wife somehow genuinely enhancing his life…

Yeah, the omission of unpaid female labor at home as a factor to consider is glaring.

Thank you.

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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Post by JBReefer »

mettamage wrote: post #19

I'm noticing that the right type of girl stimulates me to be a better me. It also stabilizes my sleeping rhythm. -- not married by the way, just my observations with GFs

I agree. There's a measurable relationship "bonus" to my life in happy relationships - having someone who double checks my logic, notices things I missed, works when I'm sick, etc. make things much smoother.

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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Post by JBReefer »

linkregister wrote: post #63
sirclueless wrote: post #31

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The number of confounding factors is enormous. 1. The man may be more likely to acquiesce to the wedding if they have a stable income and can support a family. 2. The interested parties on the bride's side may be more interested in pursuing a shotgun wedding if the man has a stable income. 3. The same reasons that lead women to pursue marriage with high-income men may also lead them to pursue pre-marital unprotected…

It's even further compounded by the fact that weddings with preconceived children are unlikely to be genuine shotgun weddings in 2017. The social pressure to reluctantly marry after conception is drastically less intense than it was 60 years ago.

They'd probably need to conduct them in the regions where the "shotgun" part isn't a metaphor, like deep Appalachia or rural Missouri. I'm from Missouri and I promise, it's not always just a figure of speech.

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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Post by DonHopkins »

cm2187 wrote: post #76
sctb wrote: post #66

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Please stop violating the guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

No I think in this case my comment was in the line as it was about silencing diverging opinions which I think the downvoting illustrates. I wouldn't dare violating the guideline but your fervent vigilance is much appreciated!

Don't be so hysterical, you're not being silenced.

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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Post by DonHopkins »

cm2187 wrote: post #71
DonHopkins wrote: post #59

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There's no value in looking through what you believe is a "current hysterical liberal lens", when it actually makes you act hysterically dramatic and reinforces your inaccurate prejudices against liberals. cm2187: Can you provide some actual proof that liberals believe that anyone who thinks or suggests otherwise than what you're dramatically parodying should be silenced? Or are you just being as hysterical as you ac…

It sounds dramatically parodying but the reality is that it is pretty much the liberal line for the gender pay gap. As the article suggests there might be many explanations for the married man pay gap that may not involve discrimination. However for the gender gap most large companies have made up their mind. And where I work I am being asked at the end of the year in my appraisal, what have I done to reduce this dis…

I asked for proof, specifically. Link? Not to Alex Jones's web site, because he's just a performance artist playing a character. Are you, too?
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