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How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media

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Re: How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media

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Post by elsonrodriguez »

jerf wrote: post #27
elsonrodriguez wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The flipside to this is that there are people who will never ever pay money for your content, and ad revenue is the only way to directly capitalize on your popularity among those people. This also means that when your ad revenue disappears, you will NEVER get that revenue back. Your only recourse is to get more popular, as your supporters are already buying your merchandise and donating. It's going to become much mor…

"It's going to become much more difficult to support yourself via creating content if step 1 becomes "be famous"." You don't have to become famous. One of the things I love about Patreon are how some of my obscure things nobody has ever heard of are now providing a low-to-mid-grade middle class lifestyle for people you've probably never heard of. Wander around a bit on https://graphtreon.com/ , and bear in mind a lot…

I'm speaking from experience here, I have ad revenue and Patreon.

If my ad revenue tanks, Patreon does not automatically go up, I'm just out my ad revenue for the month. For some artists this is the difference between being able to pay rent or not.

Re: How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media

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Post by elsonrodriguez »

aw3c2 wrote: post #16
elsonrodriguez wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The flipside to this is that there are people who will never ever pay money for your content, and ad revenue is the only way to directly capitalize on your popularity among those people. This also means that when your ad revenue disappears, you will NEVER get that revenue back. Your only recourse is to get more popular, as your supporters are already buying your merchandise and donating. It's going to become much mor…

Maybe just don't even try to capitalize on those. If you cannot sustain your work via better means then maybe it is just not worth it.

That's like telling Google to turn off all ads on Youtube tomorrow, and only rely on people who use Youtube Red to make a profit.

Or maybe Youtube is just not worth it?

Re: How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media

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Post by KyleJune »

robotjosh wrote: post #35

I canceled my youtube red over this. They've blacklisted channels that are specifically against racism because of some channels that support racism. They don't want to offend racists? I'm keeping my 5/month and will not consider their new 30/month service that I had been excited about.

$5/month? My Youtube Red subscription is $9.99/month.

Re: How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media

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Post by boomboomsubban »

frgtpsswrdlame wrote: post #41
sandworm101 wrote: post #4

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Fellow crazy linux user here. I follow many youtube channels but, as a canadian, am not allowed to support them with cash. (Red and all the other premium schemes never include us.) I too have trouble with youtube's interface and am often on a sat connection which makes everything more frustrating. Instead i use a combination of tools to download the vids directly, which denies my favorite channels even basic ad reven…

A bit of a sidebar but what tools do you use? Youtube-dl and a script to handle lost connections or something more complicated? I'm looking for a solution to a similar problem.

The script is barely necessary, youtube-dl resumes downloads when run again. If it's a regular thing, set up a cron job to run more frequently than necessary, if it's one time run the command then ; sleep 300 ; the command again

Youtube-dl just does what you want 90% of the time, and good docs for the rest.

Re: How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media

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Post by rhizome »

sp332 wrote: post #26
rhizome wrote: post #25

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10,000 views means "famous?"

10,000 ad views means supporting yourself from ad revenue? I mean if one person buys a t-shirt you've probably made more money, so I don't really see the advantage to ad revenue over merchandising, Patreon etc.

No. YouTube announced recently that they aren't paying out on videos with less than 10K views.

http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/6/15209220/youtube-partner-pr...

Re: How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media

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Post by smoe »

thescriptkiddie wrote: post #48
smoe wrote: post #45

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Sorry if i missed something obvious, but from the linked page it not entirely clear to me if my monthly amount would be distributed only between the channels I actually watch or like Spotify where content producers get their revenue based on their share of total views in the pool favoring the people on top. "New revenue from YouTube Red membership fees will be distributed to video creators based on how much members w…

Unfortunately it sounds like it uses the Spotify model. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvaxkpeSg_4

Ok, then Red makes no sense for me and the channels I watch as a viable alternative to patreon.

Re: How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media

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Post by rasz »

frgtpsswrdlame wrote: post #41
sandworm101 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fellow crazy linux user here. I follow many youtube channels but, as a canadian, am not allowed to support them with cash. (Red and all the other premium schemes never include us.) I too have trouble with youtube's interface and am often on a sat connection which makes everything more frustrating. Instead i use a combination of tools to download the vids directly, which denies my favorite channels even basic ad reven…

A bit of a sidebar but what tools do you use? Youtube-dl and a script to handle lost connections or something more complicated? I'm looking for a solution to a similar problem.

I made https://github.com/raszpl/smplayer4YT for windows and chrome/vivaldi/opera

Re: How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media

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Post by rasz »

jerf wrote: post #29
Pxtl wrote: post #23

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From a user's perspective, though, I'm a little annoyed how Patreon has "won" in terms of user-backed content. I don't want to commit to a monthly. I would've preferred if something like Flattr had market dominance for this kind of thing. Although obviously, content producers sided with Patreon because it gives them predictable income, which keeps them from starving.

"I don't want to commit to a monthly." Another part of the reason I tend to support the model is that I've watched micropayments for.... umm... gosh, about 16-18 years now. It isn't going to happen, or if it is, it's going to require something relatively fundamental to shift. I expanded more on that 3 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14117016 (Also why I decided I need to disclaim being a shill, since t…

Twitch is doing micropayments now https://blog.twitch.tv/introducing-cheering-celebrate-togeth..., they call them bits, 1 bit is ~$0.015

First micropayment service that actually is _micro_.

Re: How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media

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Post by rasz »

elsonrodriguez wrote: post #9
jerf wrote: post #2

I know at times I may sound like a shill for Patreon, but I have no connection to them whatsoever beyond "normal customer", and don't care if you use a competitive service to them or whatever. But if you are in the position of finding yourself with a growing show like this, I implore you to set up some sort of voluntary subscription revenue as soon as possible, before you embed into the very foundation of your conten…

The flipside to this is that there are people who will never ever pay money for your content, and ad revenue is the only way to directly capitalize on your popularity among those people. This also means that when your ad revenue disappears, you will NEVER get that revenue back. Your only recourse is to get more popular, as your supporters are already buying your merchandise and donating. It's going to become much mor…

Putting adds on your content if you have viable patreon fan base just means you value your fans time at ~30 cents per hour, its a slap in the face with rotten fish.
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