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What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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I'm noticing that the right type of girl stimulates me to be a better me. It also stabilizes my sleeping rhythm. -- not married by the way, just my observations with GFs

> I'm noticing that the right type of girl stimulates me to be a better me.

Also a dude and I agree. I wonder if there's a gender difference on this point, at least as far as impact on job performance.

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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post #28

There may be one under-reported angle on this. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264513198_Penalizin... There is clearly a correlation between men having children and men getting higher salaries, and the reverse for women. However, this may reflect the fact that women are more likely to withdraw from work to take care of children (regardless of whether they'd prefer to), and men may double down on work. Women…

I don't know about "under reported" seeing as the author made a female oriented follow up:

http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2012/02/what_is_the_fem....

It is as equally thoughtful as the source of this HN thread.

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

#53
I didn't get much past the 3 hypothesis in TFA because I stopped and had to ask, isn't it obvious that married men earn more because they have to in order to support their families?

It seems to me that the biggest factor in earnings is how hard you work. Nothing quite as motivating as needing to support your family... Married men earn more because they have to.

There is definitely a secondary effect I have seen though, it seems like having kids can boost your salary independent of ability/productivity due to the boss believing your are justified in asking for more money. Pay is set more based on what your boss thinks you need than what you are worth.

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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post #2

Enjoyed the analysis. I wonder if our educational system will ever reach the point where the layperson doesn't immediately think "I should get married to increase my income". Tho many people seem to believe that moving to the Bay Area will increase their earnings... post hoc ergo propter hoc.

If the third hypothesis (signaling) is correct, then you _should_ get married to increase your income.

Right, but there are other possible explanations - none of which the layperson ever considers. It's especially common for health advice.

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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post #3

They routinely give the men with children/wives the better hours, pay, and whatever else at my work. They just changed several peoples' schedules so that my peer could have Saturdays off with his kid. Contrast that with myself: I have requested the same shift and been denied. I don't have kids. I also have better reasons to be on that shift. In my anecdotal experience, it appears classist. I would file that under 'hu…

I think this might actually be a leverage / tolerance question. Your employer knows that your peer would probably not be able to tolerate too much time away from children and are a higher risk of leaving if he were not able to spend that time with his child. Where unless you were to adopt a lifestyle with hard time requirements (mandatory night & weekend religious ceremonies), your employer knows you are less likely to leave.

In previous jobs, child care hours accommodation also included a political / PR aspect: they didn't want to deal with the shit storm of spouses going to the press or contacting senior leadership / powerful stakeholders with complaints about time spent away from children.

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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post #33

Let's read this through the current hysterical liberal lens: unmarried men are unacceptably discriminated! Companies must publish statistics on how they pay married vs unmarried male employees. And they need to train their staff to understand and fight their own bias against unmarried men! The reason for this imbalance can only be outrageous discrimination. Anyone who thinks or suggests otherwise should be silenced.

It sounds like you're looking through some kind of lens that makes liberals look hysterical to you, and you sound pretty hysterical about liberals yourself. You should get your prescription checked, because you're seeing things that aren't there. Remember: liberals are the one who are for paid family leave, which today's "family values" conservatives are against (except for themselves). [1] "Speaker of the House Paul…

Paul Ryan did not pass a law requiring the government to offer him family leave. He set the expectations of the people who were considering electing him.

This is the same thing as telling the job interviewer that weekends are off-limits. Ryan is negotiating for himself, not using the government to enforce the policy on an employer who is otherwise unwilling. That is 100% consistent with his political position. He is not in favor of making family leave illegal, he just opposes making it mandatory.

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course you were denied, he has standing to ask for time off (his kid) and you don't. Having children is incredibly important to society at large and it makes sense incentivize it, especially at the expense of people who don't have any yet. When you have kids, you will also have access to these perks.

Guess I'll just start lying about having a kid then.

Exactly: this is the correct way to handle the situation.

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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post #6

Would have been interesting to see a breakdown by dual-income vs single-income, unmarried with/without dependants, etc. If you get married, and find yourself supporting a spouse, and potentially, children, you have new motivation to make more money.

On the flip side, if you find yourself with a partner at home who isn't employed, you may work longer or harder because you feel less pressure to cook and clean.

That depends on the partner...

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like you're looking through some kind of lens that makes liberals look hysterical to you, and you sound pretty hysterical about liberals yourself. You should get your prescription checked, because you're seeing things that aren't there. Remember: liberals are the one who are for paid family leave, which today's "family values" conservatives are against (except for themselves). [1] "Speaker of the House Paul…

I think it's valuable to have multiple lenses. One thing I feel has increased dramatically over the last few decades is that if you use the wrong lens when speaking the wrong audience then a witch hunt ensues. Something about the internet has enabled tribalism without personal liability, which is a powder keg of situation that leads to the sort of political outcomes we are currently seeing.

There's no value in looking through what you believe is a "current hysterical liberal lens", when it actually makes you act hysterically dramatic and reinforces your inaccurate prejudices against liberals.

cm2187: Can you provide some actual proof that liberals believe that anyone who thinks or suggests otherwise than what you're dramatically parodying should be silenced? Or are you just being as hysterical as you accuse liberals of being?

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

#60
They missed the obvious: Married men are more productive because they have a woman at home doing the "women's work." This both raises their quality of life AND frees up both time and energy to put into their job instead of into self-maintenance.

I have seen this from both sides of the equation: I was a full time wife and mom for a lot of years. Then, I got divorced. I told my sons I would rather they take over the "women's work" so I could put more into my job than for them to get some kind of part time, minimum wage job.

This is basically a form of transferring her energy to him and the employer paying for getting the extra energy and mental focus he can now bring to the table. This works reasonably well (societally speaking) in a traditional society where women are primarily homemakers and moms. It works less well in a world where people are getting married later, we are actively discouraging people from having more kids because there are already more than 7 billion people on the planet, etc. We need to find another answer, one that allows for young, single people, childless couples, etc to all have full lives. Otherwise, it is just the married men who get The Good Life and everyone else is shorted.

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