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Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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Post by sirclueless » Tue, Apr 18, 2017, 8:39 PM UTC

ouid wrote: post #15

There is absolutely no reason to believe that restricting your data to shotgun weddings would control for the things that they claimed to be controlling for.

The number of confounding factors is enormous.

1. The man may be more likely to acquiesce to the wedding if they have a stable income and can support a family.

2. The interested parties on the bride's side may be more interested in pursuing a shotgun wedding if the man has a stable income.

3. The same reasons that lead women to pursue marriage with high-income men may also lead them to pursue pre-marital unprotected sex with those men.

I'm sure you can think of more. This seems like a very suspect way to segment a population.

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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Post by Falling3 » Tue, Apr 18, 2017, 8:39 PM UTC

ianai wrote: post #3

They routinely give the men with children/wives the better hours, pay, and whatever else at my work. They just changed several peoples' schedules so that my peer could have Saturdays off with his kid. Contrast that with myself: I have requested the same shift and been denied. I don't have kids. I also have better reasons to be on that shift. In my anecdotal experience, it appears classist. I would file that under 'hu…

What is the part of it that appears classist?

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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Post by cm2187 » Tue, Apr 18, 2017, 8:39 PM UTC

Let's read this through the current hysterical liberal lens: unmarried men are unacceptably discriminated! Companies must publish statistics on how they pay married vs unmarried male employees. And they need to train their staff to understand and fight their own bias against unmarried men! The reason for this imbalance can only be outrageous discrimination. Anyone who thinks or suggests otherwise should be silenced.

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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Post by kobeya » Tue, Apr 18, 2017, 8:41 PM UTC

ianai wrote: post #26

cmdrfred wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say you have "better reasons", childcare is pretty important when you consider all the downstream effects. Are you certain you are objective on this?

Of course I'm not objective. I can't be objective since it's my direct experience. I'm also asking you to take my word on me having the overriding reasons. There's too much going on for me to explain fully in an internet forum. My point is they have two workers vying for the same shift. Overriding corporate policy and business interests would put me on that shift. But they're going with a married guy because he has a…

> Of course I'm not objective. I can't be objective since it's my direct experience. I'm also asking you to take my word on me having the overriding reasons.

It's kinda hard to. What are you doing on that time? Caring for your elderly and sick grandmother? Tutoring orphans? It's kinda hard to come up with a legitimate reason that is better than that guy spending time with his kids.

"Spending time with" being shorthand here for performing quality parenting that over time makes their kids grow up to be well-adjusted, valued members of society. What could a single, childless person possibly do with that schedule that is more important than improving the future of a dependent that has more life ahead of them than you or I?

No, you don't have to provide an answer if you choose not to. But don't expect us to take you on your word either.

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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Post by DonHopkins » Tue, Apr 18, 2017, 8:41 PM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #33

Let's read this through the current hysterical liberal lens: unmarried men are unacceptably discriminated! Companies must publish statistics on how they pay married vs unmarried male employees. And they need to train their staff to understand and fight their own bias against unmarried men! The reason for this imbalance can only be outrageous discrimination. Anyone who thinks or suggests otherwise should be silenced.

It sounds like you're looking through some kind of lens that makes liberals look hysterical to you, and you sound pretty hysterical about liberals yourself. You should get your prescription checked, because you're seeing things that aren't there.

Remember: liberals are the one who are for paid family leave, which today's "family values" conservatives are against (except for themselves). [1]

"Speaker of the House Paul Ryan drew scrutiny this fall when he said, “I cannot and will not give up my family time” as a condition of his speaker candidacy. Ryan, who is a devout Catholic, has opposed family leave measures proposed over the past several years. A spokeswoman for Ryan declined to share the office’s policy on family leave for its congressional employees." [2]

[1] http://abetterminnesota.org/2016/05/conservatives-rally-agai...

[2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/11...

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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Post by djrogers » Tue, Apr 18, 2017, 8:42 PM UTC

dikdik wrote: post #27

cmdrfred wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say you have "better reasons", childcare is pretty important when you consider all the downstream effects. Are you certain you are objective on this?

It shouldn't matter if his reasons are he wants to sit at home, get high, and eat doritos. Businesses aren't families, employees shouldn't be discriminated against because another employee needs/wants help.

People who can't arrange their work schedules to spend time with their kids often find other jobs. If the company has 2 people who want the same shift, management has to make a choice, and choosing the one most likely to impact the company by leaving is a reasonable decision.

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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Post by scld » Tue, Apr 18, 2017, 8:42 PM UTC

dikdik wrote: post #27

cmdrfred wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say you have "better reasons", childcare is pretty important when you consider all the downstream effects. Are you certain you are objective on this?

It shouldn't matter if his reasons are he wants to sit at home, get high, and eat doritos. Businesses aren't families, employees shouldn't be discriminated against because another employee needs/wants help.

It's possible that the business is making a bet that the married person needs better compensation to be stay at that job, simple supply and demand.

OR, as the article states, it has nothing to do with marriage and the married person is better at their job and gets to push their weight around more where scheduling is concerned.

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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Post by pixl97 » Tue, Apr 18, 2017, 8:42 PM UTC

dikdik wrote: post #27

cmdrfred wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say you have "better reasons", childcare is pretty important when you consider all the downstream effects. Are you certain you are objective on this?

It shouldn't matter if his reasons are he wants to sit at home, get high, and eat doritos. Businesses aren't families, employees shouldn't be discriminated against because another employee needs/wants help.

>employees shouldn't be discriminated against because another employee needs/wants help

Explain why not?

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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Post by kobeya » Tue, Apr 18, 2017, 8:43 PM UTC

dikdik wrote: post #27

cmdrfred wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say you have "better reasons", childcare is pretty important when you consider all the downstream effects. Are you certain you are objective on this?

It shouldn't matter if his reasons are he wants to sit at home, get high, and eat doritos. Businesses aren't families, employees shouldn't be discriminated against because another employee needs/wants help.

Shift selection isn't discrimination.

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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Post by cm2187 » Tue, Apr 18, 2017, 8:43 PM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #33

Let's read this through the current hysterical liberal lens: unmarried men are unacceptably discriminated! Companies must publish statistics on how they pay married vs unmarried male employees. And they need to train their staff to understand and fight their own bias against unmarried men! The reason for this imbalance can only be outrageous discrimination. Anyone who thinks or suggests otherwise should be silenced.

Ha ha. ...or downvoted!