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How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media

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Re: How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media

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Post by Danihan »

Oxitendwe wrote: post #28
makomk wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Precisely. It's not "YouTube's shifting algorithms" that are killing independent media, it's the wave of bad publicity in publications like the New York Times that lead to advertisers pulling out and made allowing ads on anything even vaguely political or controversial an existential danger to YouTube. The algorithms didn't do this by itself. And the clear-cut line between "videos that espoused extremism and hate spe…

Terrorist sympathizers are equivalent to racists now?

Hell, Google themselves celebrated a terrorist sympathizer with a special custom doodle.

- http://www.vox.com/2016/5/19/11713686/yuri-kochiyama

- https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/websearch/CSW...

Re: How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media

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Post by gresrun »

stcredzero wrote: post #13
Pigo wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the channels I enjoy were all setup through the same service, whatever it may be, it would be easy for me support new media while tracking my budget better. I can be forgetful, and it feels like some subscriptions are built around attaching themselves to your credit card and staying under your radar. But I need to do a better job of supporting these channels I spend so much time on.

This sounds like a problem worth solving. What about a browser add-on, something like Patreauto? You could budget some amount per month, and it would automatically distribute payments to the top 40 video creators you watch?

What you're describing is effectively what YouTube Red does. You pay a flat monthly amount and revenue is distributed out to creators based upon the videos you watch. [0]

Full disclosure: I work at YouTube but not on Red.

[0] https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6306276?hl=en

Re: How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media

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Post by figure8 »

gresrun wrote: post #32
stcredzero wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds like a problem worth solving. What about a browser add-on, something like Patreauto? You could budget some amount per month, and it would automatically distribute payments to the top 40 video creators you watch?

What you're describing is effectively what YouTube Red does. You pay a flat monthly amount and revenue is distributed out to creators based upon the videos you watch. [0] Full disclosure: I work at YouTube but not on Red. [0] https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6306276?hl=en

I use YouTube Red and love it. My YouTube usage has doubled because I don't see ads. And I feel good knowing I'm helping the video makers whether I skip ads or not.

Re: How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media

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Post by ziikutv »

jerf wrote: post #2

I know at times I may sound like a shill for Patreon, but I have no connection to them whatsoever beyond "normal customer", and don't care if you use a competitive service to them or whatever. But if you are in the position of finding yourself with a growing show like this, I implore you to set up some sort of voluntary subscription revenue as soon as possible, before you embed into the very foundation of your conten…

This is why people are adding Pateron to their channels. Asking for monthly or single pledges from their fans to continue making content. There are many people already doing this.

Easter Egg: "Bos in the house"

Regards,

Re: How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media

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Post by robotjosh »

I canceled my youtube red over this. They've blacklisted channels that are specifically against racism because of some channels that support racism. They don't want to offend racists? I'm keeping my 5/month and will not consider their new 30/month service that I had been excited about.

Re: How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media

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Post by bargl »

jerf wrote: post #2

I know at times I may sound like a shill for Patreon, but I have no connection to them whatsoever beyond "normal customer", and don't care if you use a competitive service to them or whatever. But if you are in the position of finding yourself with a growing show like this, I implore you to set up some sort of voluntary subscription revenue as soon as possible, before you embed into the very foundation of your conten…

Does Patreon work on a per view basis? I'd love to be charged per view of a video similar to an add, but I can add in value as I want to. It would be nice so that I don't have to pay one person more than I should and others nothing.

Re: How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media

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Post by csydas »

bargl wrote: post #36
jerf wrote: post #2

I know at times I may sound like a shill for Patreon, but I have no connection to them whatsoever beyond "normal customer", and don't care if you use a competitive service to them or whatever. But if you are in the position of finding yourself with a growing show like this, I implore you to set up some sort of voluntary subscription revenue as soon as possible, before you embed into the very foundation of your conten…

Does Patreon work on a per view basis? I'd love to be charged per view of a video similar to an add, but I can add in value as I want to. It would be nice so that I don't have to pay one person more than I should and others nothing.

No, Patreon has two options: Monthly and Per Release, which has a monthly cap that patrons can set. I'm not sure that there is enough of a hook into the various platforms to allow a per-view style payment system.

Re: How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media

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Post by ptr_void »

I don't understand why non-youtubers care about these nuisance. These 'independent media' provides little to no value or productivity, these people are mostly equivalent to those who dance on the train or street to get money. Online, they get the money by deterring from their own content to who-knows-what advertisers who paid the most.

If anyone actually produces any value in need, they should be able to create a business model where people would exchange money for it.

Re: How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media

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Post by bargl »

csydas wrote: post #37
bargl wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Patreon work on a per view basis? I'd love to be charged per view of a video similar to an add, but I can add in value as I want to. It would be nice so that I don't have to pay one person more than I should and others nothing.

No, Patreon has two options: Monthly and Per Release, which has a monthly cap that patrons can set. I'm not sure that there is enough of a hook into the various platforms to allow a per-view style payment system.

It would be nice to have something similar to youtube red for watching videos I just don't really want to pay youtube. I'd like content to be spread around a little more.

Re: How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media

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Post by brudgers »

jerf wrote: post #2

I know at times I may sound like a shill for Patreon, but I have no connection to them whatsoever beyond "normal customer", and don't care if you use a competitive service to them or whatever. But if you are in the position of finding yourself with a growing show like this, I implore you to set up some sort of voluntary subscription revenue as soon as possible, before you embed into the very foundation of your conten…

The difference between advertising and Patreon is B2B versus B2C. It is the difference between sales based on economic value and donations solicited through donor development; between competing based on ROI and competing based on prestige and need each individual's alma mater, place of worship, or local food bank.

Creating content every day or several times a day is what fans demand. It's not a question of if a dumb idea will make it into production and upset the audience, just a matter of when. Consider it like bugs.

PewDiePie's patron, Disney, dropping him was a reversion to the norm. As recent stories about large advertisers reallocating dollars illustrate, it takes something a lot worse before eyballs and clicks don't drive the decision.

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