The abuse and exploitation of the h1b by Indian bodyshop and lack of action by Bush and Obama have ruined it for everyone. I hope the body shops go out of business and we get a more sane immigration visas. But we need immigration. Thinking removing immigration will make more uS jobs is stupid. It will hasten global employers to build r&d centers outside of the US and then we are all screwed.
Donald Trump to overhaul H-1B visa program
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Re: Donald Trump to overhaul H-1B visa program
#12The intent of H1-B was to get talented immigrants for jobs for which we had a shortage of American labor. Instead it has become a tool for indentured labor of foreigners (especially Indians) to be used to suppress wages and exploit the foreign nationals. I have suffered because of this. I spent 6 years on H1 with no end in sight. It would take at least 20 years for Indians to get a Green Card. Till then, you have to…
> "The intent of H1-B was to get talented immigrants for jobs for which we had a shortage of American labor."
Actually, the intent of H1-B is to fill jobs for which there are no Americans that have the skill set. A "shortage" simply means that they aren't offering high enough wages.
Of the major tech firms (Google, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, Amazon, Oracle, ...) only Google has a presence in NYC of any size even though NYC has far more software people than SV, SF, Seattle. If there really, truly was a shortage as they claim, they would have much larger offices in NYC.
My understanding is that Gates in founding Microsoft in Seattle instead of SV did so precisely because he did not want to have to compete with SV firms for their tech labor which is another way of saying that Microsoft was in Seattle to maintained depressed tech wages.
Re: Donald Trump to overhaul H-1B visa program
#13Of all of the candidates both Republican and Democrat (and including President Obama) only one, President Trump was not in bed with Silicon Valley and Tech companies attempting to depress American Wages and replace Americans with cheaper foreign imports. Even the University of California San Francisco (The UC system trains lots of computer scientists, IT workers) replaced its own IT workers with H1-B Visa imports. Wh…
That may all be true, still, H1-B's were not an important issue in the election.
Re: Donald Trump to overhaul H-1B visa program
#14Of all of the candidates both Republican and Democrat (and including President Obama) only one, President Trump was not in bed with Silicon Valley and Tech companies attempting to depress American Wages and replace Americans with cheaper foreign imports. Even the University of California San Francisco (The UC system trains lots of computer scientists, IT workers) replaced its own IT workers with H1-B Visa imports. Wh…
That may all be true, still, H1-B's were not an important issue in the election.
H1-B not so much although Trump complained vociferously against Disney replacing US IT workers with imports. More significant was the displacement of US working class through free trade, and through illegal aliens.
But in each case, the Republican contenders and the major Democratic contender ignored the job issues. Sanders was also consistent with Trump regarding working class jobs.
Re: Donald Trump to overhaul H-1B visa program
#15The intent of H1-B was to get talented immigrants for jobs for which we had a shortage of American labor. Instead it has become a tool for indentured labor of foreigners (especially Indians) to be used to suppress wages and exploit the foreign nationals. I have suffered because of this. I spent 6 years on H1 with no end in sight. It would take at least 20 years for Indians to get a Green Card. Till then, you have to…
> "The intent of H1-B was to get talented immigrants for jobs for which we had a shortage of American labor." Actually, the intent of H1-B is to fill jobs for which there are no Americans that have the skill set. A "shortage" simply means that they aren't offering high enough wages. Of the major tech firms (Google, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, Amazon, Oracle, ...) only Google has a presence in NYC of any size even tho…
If you're going to downvote by 2 points, please state what is inaccurate. Nothing I have stated is inaccurate and Americans agree with me.
Re: Donald Trump to overhaul H-1B visa program
#16The intent of H1-B was to get talented immigrants for jobs for which we had a shortage of American labor. Instead it has become a tool for indentured labor of foreigners (especially Indians) to be used to suppress wages and exploit the foreign nationals. I have suffered because of this. I spent 6 years on H1 with no end in sight. It would take at least 20 years for Indians to get a Green Card. Till then, you have to…
My very good friend is Indian on H1B. In the last 10 years he has had 4 jobs and is making >200k/yr base. I know white people that are in the same job for 10+ years and can't get another job because their skills degraded. H1Bs have mobility and great wages, if you're good, just like citizens.
I respectfully disagree with that.
Maybe your friend wanted to do a startup where he owned the majority voting control in the startup. You can't do it on H1. Maybe he wanted to go meet his family but couldn't because his visa renewal was going on. Maybe he wanted a great opportunity, but the company wasn't setup to do H1 paperwork.
H1 was expected to be a temporary state. If you are on H1 and not from India or China you can get a Green Card within 1 year. Even Chinese nationals can get it in 4-5 years.
I switched 5 times in 6 years. Joined LinkedIn, left to build a startup (where I couldn't have majority stake), sold it to Dropbox, built and incubator at Verizon, doing another startup. All this while I was doing fine financially. However I felt really suffocated by the lack of freedom.
Finally I am not on H1 and now I can own a controlling stake in my startup. If I wasn't on H1 earlier, I would have made different career choices all this while.
H1 system is broken. Companies all over the spectrum is using it to exploit employees. It's time to fix it.
Re: Donald Trump to overhaul H-1B visa program
#17The abuse and exploitation of the h1b by Indian bodyshop and lack of action by Bush and Obama have ruined it for everyone. I hope the body shops go out of business and we get a more sane immigration visas. But we need immigration. Thinking removing immigration will make more uS jobs is stupid. It will hasten global employers to build r&d centers outside of the US and then we are all screwed.
I agree with all your points. Consultancy companies are lobbying to keep this system broken. I hope they all go out of business.
Re: Donald Trump to overhaul H-1B visa program
#18The intent of H1-B was to get talented immigrants for jobs for which we had a shortage of American labor. Instead it has become a tool for indentured labor of foreigners (especially Indians) to be used to suppress wages and exploit the foreign nationals. I have suffered because of this. I spent 6 years on H1 with no end in sight. It would take at least 20 years for Indians to get a Green Card. Till then, you have to…
> "The intent of H1-B was to get talented immigrants for jobs for which we had a shortage of American labor." Actually, the intent of H1-B is to fill jobs for which there are no Americans that have the skill set. A "shortage" simply means that they aren't offering high enough wages. Of the major tech firms (Google, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, Amazon, Oracle, ...) only Google has a presence in NYC of any size even tho…
Microsoft was in Seattle because Gates came from there. That's the whole secret.
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> "The intent of H1-B was to get talented immigrants for jobs for which we had a shortage of American labor." Actually, the intent of H1-B is to fill jobs for which there are no Americans that have the skill set. A "shortage" simply means that they aren't offering high enough wages. Of the major tech firms (Google, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, Amazon, Oracle, ...) only Google has a presence in NYC of any size even tho…
Microsoft was in Seattle because Gates came from there. That's the whole secret.
It's true he was from there, but he also located there so that he would not have to compete with SV for labor.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Microsoft was in Seattle because Gates came from there. That's the whole secret.
It's true he was from there, but he also located there so that he would not have to compete with SV for labor.
I read his biography and I never read about this being a factor. They just wanted to move home from Albuquerque.