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Re: Safari 5

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Post by jokermatt999 »

al_james wrote: post #13
friism wrote: post #2

I work for a large newspaper, and we're not very amused by the built-in "Reader" (removes ads and crud, like Readability): http://www.apple.com/safari/whats-new.html ... for users, it looks like a good feature though.

I have been spending less time on 'large newspaper' sites lately because I find it annoying that the text columns are becoming narrower and the ad columns multiplying to their right. If CPM rates are dropping from your advertisers, maybe its because you are cramming too many ads in!

I always view the print version of the article. They get their ad views when I first click on the page, but I'm not going to be annoyed by some idiotic animated banner while I'm trying to read the news. If the ads are static, I generally don't mind, but animated (and even worse, ads that ad appear over the content) ads are too much of a nuisance and too distracting.

Re: Safari 5

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Post by jokermatt999 »

al_james wrote: post #37
mbateman wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also automagically displays the text of the article in one page, despite the obnoxious effort of a site to require you to click through to multiple pages to read a single article. As far as I can tell, the point of splitting an article into more than one page was just more ad exposure. So it's a double whammy: graying out and background the ads, and decreasing the number of ad-ridden pages one needs to read the ar…

Wow... I wonder how that works. 'next' and 'previous' links?

Yeah, this technology has been around for a while. Take a look at AutoPager for Firefox.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4925/

Re: Safari 5

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Post by ThomPete »

gscott wrote: post #36
sandGorgon wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also want to present the counter viewppoint - http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/03/why-ad-blocking... Newspapers were dying because nobody wanted to pay for news, which they could get for free at Google News. Newspapers were told to suck it up and instead move online - to an ad supported model. No more ads. I dont think the newspapers are the bad guy here.

They will just have to move to putting the ads into the article copy.

I worked with Kontera they do that. Still haven't made my mind up whether that's a good approach or if it pisses me off. It's still to spammy IMHO

Re: Safari 5

#54

Post by iaskwhy »

jasonlotito wrote: post #49
MWinther wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume the comment referred to Safari 5 for Windows.

The original comment was referring to Safari 5 on Mac. Safari 5 on windows does not require a restart.

I can't edit my first comment again but I was talking about updating Safari in both operating systems. In OSX you are required to restart, in Windows you don't need to.

Re: Safari 5

#55

Post by protomyth »

I am having some problems with different sites: outlook.com (admin for organization screens) and my bank. It manifests as blank frames or pages.

Re: Safari 5

#56

Post by e40 »

sandGorgon wrote: post #20
jwr wrote: post #5

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I'm afraid people will have to deal with the fact that it's the user who controls the browser. You can't just shove stuff down your users' throats — it's their browser.

I also want to present the counter viewppoint - http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/03/why-ad-blocking... Newspapers were dying because nobody wanted to pay for news, which they could get for free at Google News. Newspapers were told to suck it up and instead move online - to an ad supported model. No more ads. I dont think the newspapers are the bad guy here.

I would uninstall my ad blocking extensions if, and this is a big if, advertisers wouldn't abuse their privilege for me to see their ad. How do they abuse it? By authoring blinking and moving ads that are unbelievably annoying. Everyone once in a while I disable AdBlock, only to flee back to turn it on within a few hours. I'm sorry, but WTF are they smoking?

Re: Safari 5

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Post by ThomPete »

markkanof wrote: post #45
ThomPete wrote: post #34

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Newspapers are dying because they are staffed to heavily, not because people don't pay. Now look at smaller publications such as Gawker, hyper local news. They are doing just fine. Wired sold almost as many iPad versions (75.000 at 5USD a pop) as they did paper version since they launched it. Thats excluding advertising. Clearly there is a market for news. It's just not going to be of the NYT kind.

Your comment makes it sound like gawker is some kind of lightweight, nimble organization that provides all the hard news that say the NYT or the Washington Post do but at a fraction of the cost. Gawker is a tabloid. While there are some entertaining stories it in no way replaces a more serious news organization. I don't mean to be overly critical. I just think that society needs the kind of information that the large…

That was not intentional.

My point is simply that there are plenty of room for news it's just that the news organizations most probably need to focus much more as they can't maintain the overhead of covering more and more at the pace news are moving today.

It's not a natural law that newspapers have to cover both local, domestic and international news. This did make sense when the news industry was very different, but insisting that reality somehow seem to conform to their needs is in my opinion absurd (I am not saying you said that)

In my opinion news are fundamentally gossip, until it's verified, written up and if it's found important analyzed further.

The access to the actual news (plane went down in Hudson) is almost ever present which means that you don't have to staff up around the world just to be sure to catch what is going on.

There are so many areas that newspapers still seem to insist on keeping that it makes it impossible for them to get lean enough to make proper profit. And let's not forget that so many much smaller news sites are eating into their profit.

I like you enjoy well written articles, geopolitics and in depth analysis, but we are not the norm.

To most people what is going on around the corner is more important than what's going on in Iraq or Philadelphia.

That doesn't mean there isn't room for serious journalism. Just that it has to change it's scope.

Just my five cents of course.

Re: Safari 5

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Post by Khaki »

ptomato wrote: post #47
m_eiman wrote: post #27

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It shouldn't be very to hard to generate a list of running apps that link against the updated libs and ask the user for permission to restart them... Or let the user ignore it at own peril.

Almost everything is (potentially) linked against WebKit (At least judging by how broken my system when a rogue rogue flash plugin broke webkit.). Certainly Finder, for example. It could just get away with enforcing log off/log on again, but if multiple users are logged in it is probably simpler just to restart. "Ignoring at their own peril" will almost certainly result in horrible crashes.

Ah, that brings back nice memories of IE and Windows.

Re: Safari 5

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Post by there »

ugh wrote: post #26
IgorPartola wrote: post #17

So the default search engine is Bing. Interesting...

The default search engine is still Google – it’s just that you now can also switch search engines and also pick Yahoo as well as Bing (that’s the order in which they appear in the list). They just heavily advertise this new option with a huge image [1], ordinarily a feature like that would get a line or two of text or maybe not even be mentioned. I guess that’s supposed to send a message to Google, something like “We…

what an odd screenshot. look at how much wasted space there is in the browser window.

Re: Safari 5

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Post by ahk »

dhotson wrote: post #41
ThomPete wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Newspapers are dying because they are staffed to heavily, not because people don't pay. Now look at smaller publications such as Gawker, hyper local news. They are doing just fine. Wired sold almost as many iPad versions (75.000 at 5USD a pop) as they did paper version since they launched it. Thats excluding advertising. Clearly there is a market for news. It's just not going to be of the NYT kind.

Yeah, good journalism costs money. To have a staff of correspondents reporting around the world isn't cheap. But I think it's worth it. I think in order for newspapers to survive, people have to learn that they need to pay. Advertising alone isn't going to pay the bills. I personally think that charging people money for things on the internet isn't such a crazy idea. ;-)

How many news organizations have good journalists though? I can count the ones I like on my fingers and some of them are mostly just bloggers as well. The market can support a few organizations doing international stuff, most of the rest just need reprint permissions.

The field is moving to much more federated-ness very quickly. People will not pay. Newspapers will not survive. Sorry.

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