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Intel Pulls Out of OpenStack Effort It Founded with Rackspace

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Re: Intel Pulls Out of OpenStack Effort It Founded with Rackspace

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Post by houseofzeus »

lathiat wrote: post #93
nul_byte wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You missed Red Hat, who seem to be the only company having major success with OpenStack [1] Most of IBM, Intel, HPE etc have thrown in the towel and now offer their own services on top of Red Hat OpenStack. OpenStack has now found itself beyond enterprise, and now being the de-facto platform for NFV running mobile networks, and I guess Red Hat are becoming the winner here as they are so used to supporting an OpenStac…

Canonical also have a strongly growing OpenStack business with no signs of pulling out from it.

SUSE folks on twitter have also been highlighting that they are still hiring, even in the wake of the addition of the HPE OpenStack team (or what was left of it).

Given all of the inter-dependencies between OpenStack services and lower level Linux constructs and software (OVS, Ceph, QEMU, etc.) those who were already used to distributing and managing these already turned out to be the ones who were best able to make the combination work.

That said at least some folks who were working on OpenStack and related technologies at Canonical are among those now looking for new gigs:

https://twitter.com/zulcss/status/852542117566189568

Thus while cloud remains on their priority list it is not immediately clear how big a part OpenStack will play in that going forward for Canonical versus solutions that run on the reigning public clouds.

Re: Intel Pulls Out of OpenStack Effort It Founded with Rackspace

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Post by jimcanoa »

twelvenmonkeys wrote: post #6

Is there an alternative out there for OpenStack? Perhaps a minimalist version?

Full disclosure: I work at OpenNebula.

We believe OpenNebula is a very good alternative to OpenStack. It's a completely open source product, with many strengths. Very easy to setup and to maintain, without the big mess that is required by OpenStack. Plus, users don't get caught in all the politics (lots of vendors pulling in their direction).

I certainly recommend you check it out.

Re: Intel Pulls Out of OpenStack Effort It Founded with Rackspace

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Post by [deleted] »

lathiat wrote: post #93
nul_byte wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You missed Red Hat, who seem to be the only company having major success with OpenStack [1] Most of IBM, Intel, HPE etc have thrown in the towel and now offer their own services on top of Red Hat OpenStack. OpenStack has now found itself beyond enterprise, and now being the de-facto platform for NFV running mobile networks, and I guess Red Hat are becoming the winner here as they are so used to supporting an OpenStac…

Canonical also have a strongly growing OpenStack business with no signs of pulling out from it.

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Re: Intel Pulls Out of OpenStack Effort It Founded with Rackspace

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Post by traf68 »

Worked for rs in the early 2000s. The culture was pretty cutthroat and it was the chiselers and greasy guys who moved up.

I worked as a dc tech during the .com bust recovery period and the level of incompetence and the personalities I encountered led me to leave Any decent SA from my generation can code a one-off virtualization base without too much problem using kvm/qemu. LXC is a clean in-fit to that. Sounds like this is standard RS procedure. Fleece the idiots, use the willing, and promote the owlshit.

Re: Intel Pulls Out of OpenStack Effort It Founded with Rackspace

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Post by karlkatzke »

justinhensley wrote: post #58
karlkatzke wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm at one of the only companies I know of outside Rackspace that's running it in production. We're doing a very poor job of it; we never hit production with any effort to upgrade the cluster in the past three years, so we're still running Havana with Nova Network. The most likely upgrade path for us right now is VMWare 6.5.

Are you using TripleO/Red Hat Platform Director? Can you share the size of your OpenStack environment? When you say VMware 6.5, are you referring to ESXi aka vSphere Hypervisor? That is not a 1 for 1 replacement of OpenStack.

No, we're not. Our environment is small; only about 100 VMs. We're a Debian shop, so no redhat.

No, it's not a 1:1 replacement. It's a migration. It would also be a migration if we decided to upgrade OpenStack, because we'd be going Havana -> Ocata.

However, there are defined upgrade paths for ESX, we already have ESXi/vSphere in our environment, and we can hire someone relatively inexpensively to help us with vSphere if we need to augment our staff. Folks who understand Openstack are not anywhere near as easy to find and pay.

Re: Intel Pulls Out of OpenStack Effort It Founded with Rackspace

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Post by karlkatzke »

cr0sh wrote: post #63
karlkatzke wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm at one of the only companies I know of outside Rackspace that's running it in production. We're doing a very poor job of it; we never hit production with any effort to upgrade the cluster in the past three years, so we're still running Havana with Nova Network. The most likely upgrade path for us right now is VMWare 6.5.

I worked for a company (Nobis Technology Group) that was acquired by LeaseWeb USA; I was a part of the "server automation" team and was somewhat reluctantly "forced out" of the team after the transition (they basically offered to pay me a smaller salary to work for them - do I look stupid?). The team was essentially dissolved several months later, as I knew it would be. But for the short period I was there (about 2 y…

I don't disagree with you at all. For our uses, it was a stupid amount of overkill specced by someone whose job was the same as his hobby. We don't have anywhere near the need to scale that such a system was designed for, the hardware that was specified was very poorly considered, and no maintenance was ever done on it except for daily care and feeding -- which quickly grew to consume all of the previous engineering team's day.

When the previous engineering team was shown the door, the entire system had no maintenance and no path forward. It's an epic management fail, but ... let's just color me cynically and sarcastically surprised that I used "management" and "fail" in the same sentence.

Re: Intel Pulls Out of OpenStack Effort It Founded with Rackspace

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Post by traf68 »

foobiekr wrote: post #74
mattbee wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a small competitor to Racksapce in 2010, designing a replacement for our (then) 8-year old VM structure, Bytemark bet against Openstack from the 1st announcement and spent years building something the-same-but-different. It wasn't _just_ that Openstack was unreleased and talking about foundations and making grand promises without any production-grade code. It was just that we could never work out which version Rac…

The use case I described - Skyport's cloud managed secure servers - needs super high quality, self-recovering embedded code that made no assumptions about the network being high quality or reliable. I think the thing people - and especially the OpenStack guys - don't appreciate is how terrible it is to (a) lose a workload or (b) require someone visit the datacenter (which may actually be a colo in another state or ho…

I find your expectations to be unreasonably high. The self correcting system is a fiction and will always be a fiction. The indefatigable infrastructure that corrects the errant member system with 5 9s is a fiction and will always be a fiction.

Re: Intel Pulls Out of OpenStack Effort It Founded with Rackspace

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Post by traf68 »

vishvananda wrote: post #83
iamthepieman wrote: post #3

the article mentions other big players pulling out or cutting jobs/funding related to OpenStack in recent months in addition to this latest move by Intel. Is this related to some endemic problem with the technology, big egos within the project, dominance by another outside player or what? Cursory searching doesn't reveal any "big thing". Maybe it's just dying a death by a thousand cuts.

As one of the original authors of OpenStack and one of the top contributors, I may have a unique perspective. I think the OpenStack community made two related mistakes: 1. We thought that private clouds were generally valuable. In 2010 it seemed like everyone was going to have a private cloud. It turns out if you are a midsize business, having a rack of "cloud" doesn't really offer you much benefit over having a rack…

Anyone over 40 could have told you this. You want a private cloud and in what way is that different from managed infra: None.

You folks popularized a misconception and hoped to monetize it in perpetuity and were eventually corrected by reality. So goes all big $$ software.

Get ready for the next big thing and first step that...ad nauseam.

Re: Intel Pulls Out of OpenStack Effort It Founded with Rackspace

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Post by traf68 »

specialp wrote: post #76
kefka wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Kubernetes is stupidly unstable. When I was testing it a while back, the master processes kept dying for no good reason and leaving half-on processes with no networking. And then you get to restart everything. Yay. Whereas if Kubernetes is on something else (OpenStack/Mesos) you at least have control to restart Kubernetes when it shits its brick.

The "a while back" qualifier here is important. Both Mesos and Kubernetes are relatively new projects in a rapidly moving space. FWIW we are running Kubernetes 1.4x with multiple redundant masters in production with no problems. We are also running Mesos/Marathon internally. These projects did have major issues early on but now they are becoming much more robust. For control we are using CoreOS with kube-aws. It actu…

Kubernetes and the push for it is religious. Get out of here with that. Not all of us have been industry < 10 years

Re: Intel Pulls Out of OpenStack Effort It Founded with Rackspace

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Post by traf68 »

cr0sh wrote: post #63
karlkatzke wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm at one of the only companies I know of outside Rackspace that's running it in production. We're doing a very poor job of it; we never hit production with any effort to upgrade the cluster in the past three years, so we're still running Havana with Nova Network. The most likely upgrade path for us right now is VMWare 6.5.

I worked for a company (Nobis Technology Group) that was acquired by LeaseWeb USA; I was a part of the "server automation" team and was somewhat reluctantly "forced out" of the team after the transition (they basically offered to pay me a smaller salary to work for them - do I look stupid?). The team was essentially dissolved several months later, as I knew it would be. But for the short period I was there (about 2 y…

Classic shitmold. This is why your play-doh doesn't look like mine. It's because you are told what to do with what you are told to use and I don't.
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