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UK Prime Minister Theresa May announces intention to hold general election

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Worst possible timing, who do I vote for? I live in a tory safe seat currently.

Are you sure they are safe? Historically they may have been, but this election will be different and many Tory supporters may not feel like giving them a manifesto for a hard brexit.

Labour are a disaster, so I suspect the Lib Dems may benefit strongly from the current situation.

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Vote Lib Dem. Seriously. I am a candidate in very north london, we're all organised for this possibility.

Yeah, 'cause you did such a sterling job last time?

Given that the country basically fell apart the moment we went out of coalition government - yeah I'm not too uncomfortable with the record at this point despite lots of reservations on things like austerity and the tution fee embarrassment (which in the scheme of politics today is the least of anyone's concerns).

I would have prefered a Labour + LibDem coalition in 2010 and 2015, but for what its worth the Lib Dems kept the conservatives on the side of sanity between 2010 and 2015. Without the lib dems they were torn apart by the far right of their party.

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PM Theresa May on her reasoning for the snap election: "In recent weeks Labour have threatened to vote against the final agreement we reach with the European Union. "The Liberal Democrats said they want to grind the business of government to a standstill. "The Scottish National Party say they will vote against the legislation that formally repeals Britain's membership of the European Union. "And un-elected members of…

Party before country.

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I wonder (I'm not from UK), is there really zero chance of someone from Labour to challenge Corbyn (someone more moderate/center leaning) and rally the pro-EU voters ?

The Labour Party establishment have tried to dethrone Corbyn before and failed. He's an odd case. He commands a lot of influence among Labour members and to some extent the unions (who have significant ties to and influence on the Labour Party here). This makes him more-or-less untouchable as party leader. However, he's loathed by most of the party's current MPs, who are politicians and know he's going to be a liabil…

openly blocking the call for an early election would be really interesting, but I wonder if it would actually lead to either Corbyn or May resigning.

There are straight forward routes through for both of them.

May :- repeal the fixed term parliaments act (which would be an entertaining kick in the teeth to the Lib Dems)

Corbyn :- accuse Labour rebels of not respecting democracy and even question their motives w/regard to Brexit.

On that basis I can't see enough Labour rebels actually turning out to block it. They're more likely to walk away from politics completely (their heart was never really in the business of fighting for something).

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I used to be a Conservative supporter, but now I just look at Westminster and wonder what the hell happened. Didn't David Cameron basically do this very same thing only a year ago? He expected everyone to be with him and vote Remain, and look how that turned out. Now Theresa May is literally following in his footsteps, thinking everyone is on her side. I'm so confused.

I'm actually thinking of voting for Lib Dems for the first time in my life, only because they said they'd hold another EU Referendum. And I say this because I honestly don't trust any party actually want's to take us through Brexit anymore, nor will any of them do a good job of it. I feel like a Lib Dem government is currently the best of a bad bunch.

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True, but if the LibDems can pull enough Blairites away from Corbyn and urban Tories away from May it will give the LibDems a core that they can move forward with. (I don't think they have a hope in hell of actually even getting enough MPs to play kingmakers, but they may be aiming to simply supplant Labour as the opposition party...)

The trouble is, the Lib Dems under Farron have essentially become a single-issue party. That decision potentially alienates about 1/3 of their previous voter base who voted to Leave, as well as those who did want to Remain but either don't believe in overriding a popular referendum on democratic principles or don't feel strongly enough on the issue to disrupt things further. Given that we're talking about the Lib Dem…

I don't think it alienates any of their base. The Lib Dems have always been hugely pro-Europe, I doubt that anyone who voted Leave would have been a supporter in the first place.

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Actually this is just good business for the Tories, and I've long expected it. The opposition is in disarray under Corbyn, and our prime minister has never won an election. This is as easy a victory as Theresa May will ever be able to bank on, and legitimises her leadership in the eyes of a large section of the public. She can also claim (maybe rightly so) that she has the undisputed majority support of the public fo…

I think the UK will be fine, post Brexit, as the UK is a very important trading partner for The Netherlands, Denmark & Ireland. These countries don't want harsh punishments for the UK (as Brussels seems intent on) and they want little trade barriers: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/792782/EU-rebellion-Bloc...

You can't use the Express as a source, it's not a creditable newspaper and has it's own agenda here.

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Democracy is about more than one party winning a popular vote.

This is the last chance the UK has to avoid fascism. I wish that was hyperbole. But I really don't think it is.

I hear you. You even see people openly embracing Enoch Powell's ideas again.

Brexit and Trump removed the taboo on fascism and those long time closeted fascists are now very openly pushing their propaganda. The rest of us are too busy defending their right to destroy our society and our values.

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Smart timing from May - this will be devastating for Corbyn. Current polling: CON 43, LAB 25 [1] Conservatives won the 2015 Election polling at 34% [2]. [1] https://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9828 [2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/UK_opini...

Too bad polls haven't been accurate for a while now.

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I wonder (I'm not from UK), is there really zero chance of someone from Labour to challenge Corbyn (someone more moderate/center leaning) and rally the pro-EU voters ?

There is zero chance of that happening before the election, yes. The only major pro-EU voice in parliament now (discounting regional parties) is Lib Dems.

Worth noting that the largest "regional" party, the SNP, has 54 MPs which is six times the 9 MPs that the Lib Dems have.
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