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Silicon Valley CEO Pleads ‘No Contest’ to Abusing His Wife

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Re: Silicon Valley CEO Pleads ‘No Contest’ to Abusing His Wife

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Taking your children out of an abusive relationship is not kidnapping. If my wife were abusive, I'd leave and take my daughter with me. I'd fight for full custody in court. > Except men... Get over yourself. In this case the abuser was a man.

So she was worried someone gets hurt, but refuse to call a police? Good luck with that. I tried. You may find that all those years you were "abuser" as well.

You assert that she should have called the police rather than simply leave. And then you claim that you were in the same situation, called the police, and found yourself accused of being an abuser.

If you had this experience, then you should understand why abuse victims often choose not to go to the police.

Re: Silicon Valley CEO Pleads ‘No Contest’ to Abusing His Wife

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He needs to be in Jail. I would highly recommend reading the entire article. This guy seems like a psychopath. He put that woman through hell.

Putting him in prison costs us - the taxpayers - money. Deporting him doesn't.

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Re: Silicon Valley CEO Pleads ‘No Contest’ to Abusing His Wife

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Though I don't claim this particular case is usual, it is sadly true that wife abuse is far more common in Indian culture than in the US. In a conversation recently between my wife and an Indian neighbor, it was mentioned in passing that a spouse would be jailed for physical abuse. The married Indian women looked rather worried and asked if it happened just once and that was it then surely no one would get in trouble…

It's dangerous to justify a statement about a large group of people or their culture using anecdotes. It's the kind of reasoning that leads to racism, antisemitism, etc.

Spousal rape is not a crime in India. [0]

[0] http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2016/04/13/47396685...

Re: Silicon Valley CEO Pleads ‘No Contest’ to Abusing His Wife

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Though I don't claim this particular case is usual, it is sadly true that wife abuse is far more common in Indian culture than in the US. In a conversation recently between my wife and an Indian neighbor, it was mentioned in passing that a spouse would be jailed for physical abuse. The married Indian women looked rather worried and asked if it happened just once and that was it then surely no one would get in trouble…

The reported statistics on domestic violence are lower in India than in the US. I understand that "reported" isn't necessarily relative to actual.

When spousal rape is legal, there probably isn't anyone to "report" domestic violence to.

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It's dangerous to justify a statement about a large group of people or their culture using anecdotes. It's the kind of reasoning that leads to racism, antisemitism, etc.

Here's a data point: 57% of a survey of young men in India said it's OK to beat your wife. http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-04-25/india... The equivalent figure in the US is 10%. http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/03/18/39286028...

Men in India are far different than Indian men in America though. Indian men in America have the lowest crime rates by an order of magnitude in all facets, are the wealthiest, possess the highest percentage of college degrees etc. You're seeing the best and the brightest with a few scum that slip through the cracks. There are tens of millions of people in India especially in villages that force marry children and do a whole bunch of stupid shit. This is a completely different subset. If this study was done for Indian men in America I am confident that it would be as low or lower than any other ethnic group

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I have some sympathy for the judge here. Though a sentence of one million years hard labor followed by summary execution is probably the correct one for a case like this, Gattani could change. He could be somebody who pays his debt to society, gets counselling, makes positive changes in his life, and goes on to have a healthy positive relationship with his daughter and the world. Keeping the case in the USA allows the court to stay involved and that might lead to the best available outcome for the victim and her child (aka victim #2).

If the judge were to impose a harsher sentence such that deportation post-sentence was mandatory, Gattani would then be outside of the judge's jurisdiction and the judge would have lost any ability to monitor the situation or get the best outcome for the victims for any future crimes Gattani commits.

In India Gattani may well have situation management options not as readily available to him in the US, because of the money he has, how much further that money sometimes goes in India, i.e. his ability to pay bribes, the degree to which corruption is present in the Indian judiciary [1][2] and police force [3], and differences versus in the USA in some parts of Indian society in respect of attitudes to spousal abuse, appropriate punishment, and to divorce. The availability in India of options which allow Gattani to avoid taking responsibility for his actions might act as an impediment to real, substantive, changes by him.

On the other hand Gattani got a minor sentence for a terrible crime. I sympathize with the victim here one million percent when she makes that observation. But its a judgement call by the judge and arguably there are no great options here because the best short term options and the best long-terms options are in conflict.

No matter what happens in future Gattani has to live with the knowledge that he abused his wife and his daughter. Its not an easy road for him from here no matter what. He has been publicly shamed in the media, and now he is a convicted felon without a green card. Good luck getting one now. Over and above the sentence itself imposed by the judge, these are consequences for Gattani of that sentence, and ones which the judge almost certainly aware.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judiciary_of_India#Judicial_co... [2] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=indian+judiciary+corruption [3] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=indian+police+force+corruption

Re: Silicon Valley CEO Pleads ‘No Contest’ to Abusing His Wife

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So she was worried someone gets hurt, but refuse to call a police? Good luck with that. I tried. You may find that all those years you were "abuser" as well.

You assert that she should have called the police rather than simply leave. And then you claim that you were in the same situation, called the police, and found yourself accused of being an abuser. If you had this experience, then you should understand why abuse victims often choose not to go to the police.

There were two points;

First if she needs to remove children from shared house, police should be involved. There are legal procedures how to do that. If she did that in secrecy, without her partner consent, that is kidnapping by definition.

Second point was reaction to this:

> Taking your children out of an abusive relationship is not kidnapping. If my wife were abusive, I'd leave and take my daughter with me. I'd fight for full custody in court.

I am just saying good luck with that as a men in US.

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She could call a police, instead of kidnapping children. >discriminate against Indians or any other particular group Except men...

There was no kidnapping. She had to take that first step to protect herself and her kids. In the end things worked out fine for everyone involved. It was a long time ago....

This fits legal definition of "parental kidnapping".

Re: Silicon Valley CEO Pleads ‘No Contest’ to Abusing His Wife

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He needs to be in Jail. I would highly recommend reading the entire article. This guy seems like a psychopath. He put that woman through hell.

Putting him in prison costs us - the taxpayers - money. Deporting him doesn't.

Not if you put him in one of those shitty "Tent City" style jails Joe Arpaio runs.
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