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att runs it in-house and they seem to like it.
I was at their keynote in one of the Openstack summit. I can guarantee that at least the VP that spoke about it knows nothing about openstack, and were just using Mirantis to deploy. They just threw Buzzwords around, one of which was Fuel[0] [0]: https://www.mirantis.com/software/openstack/fuel/
We will hopefully upgrade soon to the Newton release which will enable us to provide SaaS (Murano) and CaaS (Magnum) to the users. We will probably also evaluate Openshift on top of Openstack.
The biggest pain points is the integration with our existing HPC infrastructure (specifically the parallel filesystem/storage). We haven't really looked much at the code except of debugging some authentication issues, when we tried to integrate keystone with our core IT's AD, so we can't comment on that.
Additionally, the official openstack documentation (the commercially supported one is quite superficial) is often very confusing and it's very hard to find proper CHANGELOGS for each of the openstack components. Also we really don't like (or rather despise) openstack's issue tracker (Launchpad). It is very hard to find any existing issues, when we encounter some problems.
the article mentions other big players pulling out or cutting jobs/funding related to OpenStack in recent months in addition to this latest move by Intel. Is this related to some endemic problem with the technology, big egos within the project, dominance by another outside player or what? Cursory searching doesn't reveal any "big thing". Maybe it's just dying a death by a thousand cuts.
1. We thought that private clouds were generally valuable. In 2010 it seemed like everyone was going to have a private cloud. It turns out if you are a midsize business, having a rack of "cloud" doesn't really offer you much benefit over having a rack of managed vms. You still need to pay someone to manage that rack. The vast majority of the benefit of cloud comes from having a ton of workloads, which means a public cloud or a huge service-provider sized business.
2. We focused on community building by supporting all use cases. The best way to build an open-source community is to bring everyone in. The community grows fastest that way. Unfortunately, it also means that the product quickly becomes an unfocused frankenstein that is decent at everything and good at nothing. Projects like docker and mesos are suffering from the same problem.
The end result of these mistakes OpenStack is good for certain use-cases. It does really well in large companies that need a public-cloud like environment to manage their infrastructure and can hire a team of people to manage it (e.g. comcast, verizon, e-bay, wal-mart).
I don't know that the exodus is due to endemic problems so much as the market finally waking up and realizing that public cloud is the future.
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I figure Intel's participation was hinged on supporting a growing fleet of competitors to AWS, who would bid up chip prices. I guess that isn't happening. IMO, OpenStack was sort of a consortium effort to compete with VMWare, AWS and Salesforce, but it's operational model is closest to AWS. Nearly all the big enterprise IT companies tied their rafts together hoping to stave the flow of customers. It doesn't appear to…
Check out their front page: https://www.rackspace.com/ Their own cloud isn't mentioned on it. They've obviously been putting their eggs in the consultancy basket for 6 months now, Hell, even if you go to cloud in the menu, they're only advertising other clouds: https://www.rackspace.com/cloud You have to go through the 'Infrastructure' menu to find their own cloud offerings. I'm wondering how long before we get notic…
Is there an alternative out there for OpenStack? Perhaps a minimalist version?
We're using Joyent's Triton platform and like it a lot. It's been super stable and great for us. Plus #smartos has been incredibly responsive and helpful with any problems we run into. There is also Proxmox and Cloudstack.
I wanted to dive into Joyent but their wiki was skeletal.
To make my comment more useful: I'm hearing good things about Proxmox and will likely lab it up soon. r/homelab has some feedback on it as well.
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This seems to get back to an interesting discussion I had with someone early in the OpenStack efforts: as a developer OpenStack doesn't directly interest me because I don't care about infrastructure. Where OpenStack had a possibility to win was to provide options for infrastructure agnosticism: if I can build an app that runs "unmodified" on any OpenStack-based infrastructure, that has a possibility to save me potent…
> if I can build an app that runs "unmodified" on any OpenStack-based infrastructure, that has a possibility to save me potential time and money from having to port apps to/from/between AWS, Azure, Google Cloud, et al (assuming of course that it enough clouds actually adopt). > There are ways now to build container clusters that you can ship in parallel to AWS and Azure with very little code difference. OpenStack is…
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We're using Joyent's Triton platform and like it a lot. It's been super stable and great for us. Plus #smartos has been incredibly responsive and helpful with any problems we run into. There is also Proxmox and Cloudstack.
Is Joyent's documentation less than three years old yet? I wanted to dive into Joyent but their wiki was skeletal. To make my comment more useful: I'm hearing good things about Proxmox and will likely lab it up soon. r/homelab has some feedback on it as well.
https://docs.joyent.com/private-cloud
Anything missing or questionable could usually be resolved by looking in the docs folder of the corresponding service's github repo.
the article mentions other big players pulling out or cutting jobs/funding related to OpenStack in recent months in addition to this latest move by Intel. Is this related to some endemic problem with the technology, big egos within the project, dominance by another outside player or what? Cursory searching doesn't reveal any "big thing". Maybe it's just dying a death by a thousand cuts.
>Is this related to some endemic problem with the technology, I believe the decline of OpenStack is inherent in the type of technology. I don't believe that type of "infrastructure plumbing" software lends itself to high-speed high-quality innovation in the "open source" model. Some reasons: 1) it's boring infrastructure software: Because it is software for "data center" infrastructure, it's not glamorous and interes…
I think that's a slightly different reason because OpenCL is just a spec with no real teeth. NVIDIA/MS have a pretty tight grip over the market both in h/w and s/w, and creating a CUDA like spec does nothing meaningful if there is no alternative source for hardware and software. Everything including drivers, libraries, compilers etc. is closed, whether it's CUDA or OpenCL. So aside from some vague promise of portability, OpenCL doesn't really open anything.
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This seems to get back to an interesting discussion I had with someone early in the OpenStack efforts: as a developer OpenStack doesn't directly interest me because I don't care about infrastructure. Where OpenStack had a possibility to win was to provide options for infrastructure agnosticism: if I can build an app that runs "unmodified" on any OpenStack-based infrastructure, that has a possibility to save me potent…
> if I can build an app that runs "unmodified" on any OpenStack-based infrastructure, that has a possibility to save me potential time and money from having to port apps to/from/between AWS, Azure, Google Cloud, et al (assuming of course that it enough clouds actually adopt). OpenStack is at the same layer as AWS, GCP or Azure. It's not an abstraction over them -- that's a PaaS. I'm not sure OpenStack was ever seriou…
Not that asking AWS+GCP+Azure to commoditize themselves in such a way makes much economic sense, but that's the proposition.
Is there any chance that vendors (like Intel) will care less about the API for accessing their products, as there seems to be more consolidation around API's for running applications like Kubernetes. Intel is a member of the CNCF [1] and seems to be putting money behind it. Am I reading too much into that and is Intel just a big company that puts money in lots of places? [1]: https://www.cncf.io/about/members/