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Switching to Sublime Text from Vim in 2017

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Re: Switching to Sublime Text from Vim in 2017

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Post by benley »

Existenceblinks wrote: post #35
sushisource wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a lot of us can agree with the last bit, but that said VS Code is actually pretty darn nice.

Do you know how to remove 5 stupid menus on the left; explorer, search, git, debug, and extension. I don't agree with all these as default. Explorer (basically the nav tree): Just give me a toggle key and hide it by default please (I mean hide its icon nav too) Search: really? something + F is fine for short key like the others do. Git: I haven't even tried to use version control inside text editor. It is just illusi…

Jut hit ctrl-b to collapse them. I don't know how to completely get rid of the icon strip, but it doesn't have to be a big sidebar.

Re: Switching to Sublime Text from Vim in 2017

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Post by jorvi »

sirtaj wrote: post #11
diminish wrote: post #2

Is VIM with plugins really that slow compared to Sublime Text? I'm curious what plugins OP was talking about.

Until vim 8, everything in vim ran in a single thread with little or no cooperative multitasking. So if you have a handful of plugins that do any non-trivial thing with the contents of a buffer in real time - dynamic syntax highlighting, running an external process or other such things - pretty soon those milliseconds add up and there is a visible delay between your typing and the on-screen cursor. Vim 8's background…

Vim 8 async was created to prevent/revert a massive exodus to NeoVim. The NeoVim team actually made a (solid) commit that Bram didn't outright reject, but wanted modified. He jerked around the NeoVim team, having them make lots of modifications and in the end basically said 'not gonna do it lol, who needs async anyway'. Out of that came NeoVim. Then NeoVim started to pick up major steam and lo and behold, Vim had async pretty quick.

Re: Switching to Sublime Text from Vim in 2017

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Post by zeveb »

> What I didn’t like about Vim was that a good number of plugins always felt like a hack.

> Also, why not Emacs? I wanted to change my editor, not my operating system :P.

He really made a mistake here, IMHO. Spacemacs is exactly the right solution here: can run on the console, can run in a GUI, meant to be extended (extending emacs isn't a hack: it's using emacs).

Re: Switching to Sublime Text from Vim in 2017

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Post by Existenceblinks »

benley wrote: post #41
Existenceblinks wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know how to remove 5 stupid menus on the left; explorer, search, git, debug, and extension. I don't agree with all these as default. Explorer (basically the nav tree): Just give me a toggle key and hide it by default please (I mean hide its icon nav too) Search: really? something + F is fine for short key like the others do. Git: I haven't even tried to use version control inside text editor. It is just illusi…

Jut hit ctrl-b to collapse them. I don't know how to completely get rid of the icon strip, but it doesn't have to be a big sidebar.

Thanks, I knew cmd|crtl+b. But yes, I'd like to completely hide them. It is annoying to see something I don't use appear on screen, even its icons.

Re: Switching to Sublime Text from Vim in 2017

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Post by [deleted] »

sushisource wrote: post #18
falcolas wrote: post #12

I only have two comments: > Any popular editor usually has a “Vim mode” that you can install and you can achieve native Vim productivity. I would editorialize this to say "closish to native vim productivity", since there are virtually no vim mode plugins for popular editors which offer a complete set of vim features. Even EVIL mode (as of the last time I checked it) has a few notable discrepancies which arise from ma…

I think a lot of us can agree with the last bit, but that said VS Code is actually pretty darn nice.

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Re: Switching to Sublime Text from Vim in 2017

#46

Post by michaelmrose »

bphogan wrote: post #24
c0achmcguirk wrote: post #9

I would recommend vim-easymotion and command-t for a big speed improvement over relativenumbers and CtrlP. In my experience Sublime is _much_ slower than Vim.

That's odd. I switched from Command-T to CtrlP a couple years ago for speed. I wonder now if I should look again.

Unite.vim is really nice too

Re: Switching to Sublime Text from Vim in 2017

#47

Post by rikkus »

hhsnopek wrote: post #31

I hate these types of posts... "Why I'm no longer using vim and now using X" typically result from not digging into Vim enough. All the issues the OP is having have been resolved from either updates to vim, switching terminals, or just understanding vim basics. NOTE: Plugs can be slow and the OP is correct that some are hacky, but typically there's the Vanilla Vim solution to a problem that takes a little bit of read…

Last time I mentioned having switched away from Vim due to its plugins not giving the functionality I get elsewhere, the reaction was not good. As with the parent comment, somehow it was my fault, as I'd failed to update to the latest vim, changed terminals, or '[understand] vim basics'.

I've been using various vi-alikes, including vim, since 1996, so, yes, I have used just about every vim plugin, used vi[m] on every terminal you can name, plus several you may have forgotten existed, and would guess I know the basics by now, considering 90% of what I've edited over the last 20 years has been through Vim and most of the other 10% has been through work-alikes.

Please don't insult people by making assumptions about their knowledge, experience and commitment. I - and the OP, I assume(!), have put the work in and have decided the grass might be greener elsewhere. Please respect that and be constructive. The OP seems to be trying to help others by pointing at what they did / are doing to try and live with another editor.

Re: Switching to Sublime Text from Vim in 2017

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randomsofr wrote: post #28
bitcharmer wrote: post #23

I've recently switched from Sublime Text to Atom. I've used Sublime for a few years and was very unimpressed when I first installed Atom 2 years ago. For a long time it remained slow and clunky, but recently not only did they improve performance significantly but also made the whole user experience much easier and pleasant. I suggest taking a look at Atom before spending money on Sublime. The number of plugins and ex…

I tried to use Atom for a while, but it becomes slow once you load a few projects. With Sublime or Vim i can have more than 4 instances and it stills runs smooth, but Atom starts lagging and feels heavy.

Atom tends to be my go-to, but being built on Electron is what hurts it the most, in my opinion. I don't reboot my work machine often, only for updates, which means that having 2 or 3 projects (in 2 or 3 windows) can eat a lot of memory if it has been open for a while.

It's frustrating having to restart my editor because the Electron window gets stale and needs to be closed.

Re: Switching to Sublime Text from Vim in 2017

#50

Post by sirtaj »

jorvi wrote: post #42
sirtaj wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until vim 8, everything in vim ran in a single thread with little or no cooperative multitasking. So if you have a handful of plugins that do any non-trivial thing with the contents of a buffer in real time - dynamic syntax highlighting, running an external process or other such things - pretty soon those milliseconds add up and there is a visible delay between your typing and the on-screen cursor. Vim 8's background…

Vim 8 async was created to prevent/revert a massive exodus to NeoVim. The NeoVim team actually made a (solid) commit that Bram didn't outright reject, but wanted modified. He jerked around the NeoVim team, having them make lots of modifications and in the end basically said 'not gonna do it lol, who needs async anyway'. Out of that came NeoVim. Then NeoVim started to pick up major steam and lo and behold, Vim had asy…

Right, I've heard that floating around, and it's true that neovim exists primarily due to the lack of async in vim. Whether or not it appeared in vim 8 because of neovim is something I can't personally answer.
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