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Re: Vivaldi makes History

#11

Post by red023 »

notum wrote: post #8

What happens tomorrow, if Vivaldi becomes history? Do we own this data? How is it stored? Where is it located? Can we access this with any other tool? I know I'm begging for down-votes but I simply cannot understand how people can commit something as personal as web browsing to a closed source solution.

Where is your claim that vivaldi is close source coming from?

https://vivaldi.com/source/

// later edit below

Excuse me but I am just reading on this and it seems its real open source it that sense. I did not even know this, so thank you for this. This makes Vivaldi a total no go for me.

https://vivaldi.net/userblogs/entry/a-few-words-about-open-s...

It has in fact a proprietary license:

"18 November 2016. "Subject to the terms and conditions herein, Vivaldi hereby grants You a limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable, non-sublicensable license to install and use the Software and Services for its intended purpose. [...] Without limiting the foregoing, you are neither allowed to (a) adapt, alter, translate, embed into any other product or otherwise create derivative works of, or otherwise modify the Software ; (b) separate the component programs of the Software for use on different computers; (c) reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble or otherwise attempt to derive the source code for the Software, except as permitted by applicable law; or (d) remove, alter or obscure any proprietary notices on the Software or the applicable documentation therein."

Re: Vivaldi makes History

#13

Post by jpalomaki »

One so-far-unsolved problem for me in browsers is how to make using multiple profiles at the same time smooth without adding many windows to desktop.

I'm using Chrome and run several profiles: personal, work, social media etc. Since I tend to use all of these throughout the day, I have several browser windows and several tabs. This is not very convenient. I would prefer system where I could share the same window with multiple profiles, maybe even having a list a combined list of tabs from different profiles on the left side.

Re: Vivaldi makes History

#14

Post by thewhitetulip »

Aeyris wrote: post #3

As nice as all the features they've added are, I can't help but see Vivaldi as "Chromium but Blink probably isn't completely up to date", and it worries me more than a little to use a browser where the latest (potentially high impact) changes to the browser rendering engine aren't remedied until the next browser patch.

So, can we use this extension & install it in Chrome?

Re: Vivaldi makes History

#15

Post by dzek69 »

timonovici wrote: post #5

While I rarely looked at the code behind a browser (mostly webkit, to debug some weird stuff with capybara-webkit), it is highly uncomfortable to me to use a non-free browser... Does it track my behavior, do they sell that information - I don't have time to mess around with Wireshark and see what it does; On the "history" upgrade idea - that's a really cool one; It's quite often that I'm looking for that page I acces…

Vivaldi is Open Source, they just doesn't have github repo and they aren't "crowd-based open source" (I don't know how to call it).

https://vivaldi.com/source

Re: Vivaldi makes History

#16

Post by dzek69 »

Aeyris wrote: post #3

As nice as all the features they've added are, I can't help but see Vivaldi as "Chromium but Blink probably isn't completely up to date", and it worries me more than a little to use a browser where the latest (potentially high impact) changes to the browser rendering engine aren't remedied until the next browser patch.

I'm using Vivaldi since first public release and I haven't encountered any issue regarding to Blink stability.

I'm using only newest snapshots (so they should be considered unstable) as my daily work & private browser and never had a reason to roll back. IIRC they using even nightlies from Blink in their snapshots, so "getting behind" shouldn't be considered a problem I think.

But putting everything aside, let's assume they're 40 days behind Blink always - are you THAT geeky that you need these new Blink features instantly, when noone actually implements them anywhere (I'm taking about new JS stuff for example), because noone would be able to use this features, as this is cutting-edge-blink-only-feature?

Re: Vivaldi makes History

#17

Post by Vinnl »

jpalomaki wrote: post #13

One so-far-unsolved problem for me in browsers is how to make using multiple profiles at the same time smooth without adding many windows to desktop. I'm using Chrome and run several profiles: personal, work, social media etc. Since I tend to use all of these throughout the day, I have several browser windows and several tabs. This is not very convenient. I would prefer system where I could share the same window with…

Mozilla is actually working on this for Firefox, and you can try it right now through their Test Pilot extension. I've been using it for a while now and it's pretty great: https://testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/containers

Re: Vivaldi makes History

#18

Post by [deleted] »

jpalomaki wrote: post #13

One so-far-unsolved problem for me in browsers is how to make using multiple profiles at the same time smooth without adding many windows to desktop. I'm using Chrome and run several profiles: personal, work, social media etc. Since I tend to use all of these throughout the day, I have several browser windows and several tabs. This is not very convenient. I would prefer system where I could share the same window with…

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Re: Vivaldi makes History

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Post by theGimp »

red023 wrote: post #11
notum wrote: post #8

What happens tomorrow, if Vivaldi becomes history? Do we own this data? How is it stored? Where is it located? Can we access this with any other tool? I know I'm begging for down-votes but I simply cannot understand how people can commit something as personal as web browsing to a closed source solution.

Where is your claim that vivaldi is close source coming from? https://vivaldi.com/source/ // later edit below Excuse me but I am just reading on this and it seems its real open source it that sense. I did not even know this, so thank you for this. This makes Vivaldi a total no go for me. https://vivaldi.net/userblogs/entry/a-few-words-about-open-s... It has in fact a proprietary license: "18 November 2016. "Subject t…

The license in the LICENSE file looks like BSD 2.0. The proprietary license you mention is only in the Windows installer (according a quick grep) ... but it's still legally murky in my uneducated opinion.

Anyway, license notwithstanding, they do not publish the latest source. The download page has version 1.8, whose source is not available for download. There is also no repository and so no public history of changes on a per-commit basis. It might technically be open source, but certainly not in spirit.

Re: Vivaldi makes History

#20

Post by richardboegli »

jpalomaki wrote: post #13

One so-far-unsolved problem for me in browsers is how to make using multiple profiles at the same time smooth without adding many windows to desktop. I'm using Chrome and run several profiles: personal, work, social media etc. Since I tend to use all of these throughout the day, I have several browser windows and several tabs. This is not very convenient. I would prefer system where I could share the same window with…

Ghost Browser [0] already supports this. It allows two (maybe three?) profiles in free version.

[0] https://ghostbrowser.com/

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