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Re: How to Raise a Creative Child – Step One: Back Off (2016)

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Post by barrkel » Mon, Apr 17, 2017, 1:07 AM UTC

smackingly wrote: post #90

pfarnsworth wrote: post #84

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Out of curiosity, what brings a physician at a community hospital to a largely programmer forum? I'm genuinely curious, I love the fact that HN has such a diverse set of very intelligent people.

I have an interest in technology. This place has a good offering of technology news and discussion that I can't find elsewhere. Also, a significant number of my investment gains originated from stuff I read here (bought a bunch of Monero when it was $0.45/unit, for example). Finally, I learned a little programming (mostly Go and C++) to automate some stuff at work and home (reports, backups, email notifications and t…

I don't think reasonable developers use C++ or Go for any of those things. You might use a backup utility written in C++ or Go; but you don't write your own if you can help it, and you drive it with a scripting language like Python or Ruby or even bash.

No knock for learning. But if you want to get maximum bang for your learning buck, focus on higher level stuff with lots of third-party libraries that integrate with the things you want to automate, ideally with a interpreter REPL for exploratory coding.

Re: How to Raise a Creative Child – Step One: Back Off (2016)

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Post by koolba » Mon, Apr 17, 2017, 1:14 AM UTC

smackingly wrote: post #78

replicatorblog wrote: post #63

In adulthood, many prodigies become experts in their fields and leaders in their organizations. Yet only a fraction of gifted children eventually become revolutionary adult creators. My daughter is being treated for Leukemia by some amazing doctors at Boston Children's Hospital. To my knowledge, none of the health care professionals at this world-class institution have won Nobel Prizes in medicine. All the same, for…

Maybe I'm biased because I'm a no-name physician at a community hospital, but the "best doctors" in my eyes are the ones with the best outcomes, lowest utilization, highest efficiency and highest patient satisfaction. These measures don't correlate well with the physician's credentials. I learned this in residency, which I did just down the street from a "top" university hospital. We out-performed that place on every…

What's ECMO?

Re: How to Raise a Creative Child – Step One: Back Off (2016)

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Post by nickthemagicman » Mon, Apr 17, 2017, 1:14 AM UTC

smackingly wrote: post #78

replicatorblog wrote: post #63

In adulthood, many prodigies become experts in their fields and leaders in their organizations. Yet only a fraction of gifted children eventually become revolutionary adult creators. My daughter is being treated for Leukemia by some amazing doctors at Boston Children's Hospital. To my knowledge, none of the health care professionals at this world-class institution have won Nobel Prizes in medicine. All the same, for…

Maybe I'm biased because I'm a no-name physician at a community hospital, but the "best doctors" in my eyes are the ones with the best outcomes, lowest utilization, highest efficiency and highest patient satisfaction. These measures don't correlate well with the physician's credentials. I learned this in residency, which I did just down the street from a "top" university hospital. We out-performed that place on every…

Sounds like somebody's a little jealous..

Re: How to Raise a Creative Child – Step One: Back Off (2016)

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Post by neutronicus » Mon, Apr 17, 2017, 1:17 AM UTC

barrkel wrote: post #111

smackingly wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have an interest in technology. This place has a good offering of technology news and discussion that I can't find elsewhere. Also, a significant number of my investment gains originated from stuff I read here (bought a bunch of Monero when it was $0.45/unit, for example). Finally, I learned a little programming (mostly Go and C++) to automate some stuff at work and home (reports, backups, email notifications and t…

I don't think reasonable developers use C++ or Go for any of those things. You might use a backup utility written in C++ or Go; but you don't write your own if you can help it, and you drive it with a scripting language like Python or Ruby or even bash. No knock for learning. But if you want to get maximum bang for your learning buck, focus on higher level stuff with lots of third-party libraries that integrate with…

They might be consuming some APIs that drive the choice.

\shrug. Hard to know.

Re: How to Raise a Creative Child – Step One: Back Off (2016)

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Apr 17, 2017, 1:17 AM UTC

barrkel wrote: post #111

smackingly wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have an interest in technology. This place has a good offering of technology news and discussion that I can't find elsewhere. Also, a significant number of my investment gains originated from stuff I read here (bought a bunch of Monero when it was $0.45/unit, for example). Finally, I learned a little programming (mostly Go and C++) to automate some stuff at work and home (reports, backups, email notifications and t…

I don't think reasonable developers use C++ or Go for any of those things. You might use a backup utility written in C++ or Go; but you don't write your own if you can help it, and you drive it with a scripting language like Python or Ruby or even bash. No knock for learning. But if you want to get maximum bang for your learning buck, focus on higher level stuff with lots of third-party libraries that integrate with…

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Re: How to Raise a Creative Child – Step One: Back Off (2016)

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Post by Retric » Mon, Apr 17, 2017, 1:17 AM UTC

j9461701 wrote: post #50

Retric wrote: post #14

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2) This falls into the just world fallacy. Intelligence does not seem to come with real drawbacks. Highly intelligent people often have upper end reflexes, are unusual attractive, highly creative, social, and or content. They are more often taller and live longer as well. The trappings of intelligence are different, but very high raw intelligence is seen across most walks of life including actors, athletes, and sales…

This is only true up to a point. Past ~125 IQ, you start running into serious social problems that mean such individuals are much less likely to obtain leadership positions, join intellectually challenging professions, or obtain advanced degrees. https://polymatharchives.blogspot.ca/2015/01/the-inappropria... http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/2017-14279-001/

This get's into questions of what is an is not a good proxy for actual intelligence. IQ tests are more likely to become arbitrary rankings once you looking at ever smaller population sizes and thus relative poor proxy's for g.

Still, Roughly one third to one half of the billionaires (45.0%), Fortune 500 CEOs (38.6%), Senators (41.0%), and federal judges (40.9%) attended a school requiring standardized test scores that likely places them in the top 1% of ability. https://www.psychologytoday.com/files/attachments/56143/wai-... Further, why that's only a proxy for intelligence, those with different backgrounds may also have unusually high IQ's.

Granted we are now using a proxy for g to estimate IQ. But, as I was saying intelligence not scores on IQ test IMO it's a valid approach.

Re: How to Raise a Creative Child – Step One: Back Off (2016)

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Post by 77pt77 » Mon, Apr 17, 2017, 1:18 AM UTC

alltakendamned wrote: post #60

xherberta wrote: post #30

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> Kids are society's problem Respectfully, I'm sad for children whose parents think society is going to look out for them. Every kid deserves a couple of people who take personal responsibility for their behavior and well-being. I have a pretty high tolerance for kids being bouncy and boisterous, but it's always nice to see parents giving the sort of information that helps them become considerate:("Look, that woman's…

> French kindergarteners spend 90 minutes sitting down to a white-table-cloth four course meal each day during school. No they don't, I'm not quite sure where you could've got the idea ?

Good to know. Next thing the he was going to say they started educating children on the pleasures of France's great wine production while in kindergarten.

Re: How to Raise a Creative Child – Step One: Back Off (2016)

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Post by 77pt77 » Mon, Apr 17, 2017, 1:19 AM UTC

postmeta wrote: post #87

alltakendamned wrote: post #60

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> French kindergarteners spend 90 minutes sitting down to a white-table-cloth four course meal each day during school. No they don't, I'm not quite sure where you could've got the idea ?

table-cloth is embellishment, but four-course does seem to be part of the system: https://karenlebillon.com/french-school-lunch-menus/

Is this not standard almost everywhere?

If anything, the soup is missing.

Re: How to Raise a Creative Child – Step One: Back Off (2016)

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Post by CuriouslyC » Mon, Apr 17, 2017, 1:20 AM UTC

deepnotderp wrote: post #33

CuriouslyC wrote: post #3

My personal theory on this is twofold: 1.) High achievers are used to pushing at things to win. Creativity is like a garden - you have to do some tending, but then you have to back off and let the plants grow. Fiddling doesn't help, in fact you're liable to end up killing the plants. 2.) Smart people actually learn too fast. Creativity requires very broad neural connectivity, and I think fast learning tends to produc…

Repeat after me: Artificial Neural Networks/DL =! Biological Neural Networks

You'd have to be pretty ignorant to assume they are exactly analogous, but to assume that there is no transfer is equally ignorant. Artificial neural networks are much closer to neurons and brains than economic models are to markets, yet we bet the farm on forecasting (with pretty bad results, I might add).

The repeat after me meme is really condescending by the way, might want to avoid using that.

Re: How to Raise a Creative Child – Step One: Back Off (2016)

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Post by smackingly » Mon, Apr 17, 2017, 1:20 AM UTC

barrkel wrote: post #111

smackingly wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have an interest in technology. This place has a good offering of technology news and discussion that I can't find elsewhere. Also, a significant number of my investment gains originated from stuff I read here (bought a bunch of Monero when it was $0.45/unit, for example). Finally, I learned a little programming (mostly Go and C++) to automate some stuff at work and home (reports, backups, email notifications and t…

I don't think reasonable developers use C++ or Go for any of those things. You might use a backup utility written in C++ or Go; but you don't write your own if you can help it, and you drive it with a scripting language like Python or Ruby or even bash. No knock for learning. But if you want to get maximum bang for your learning buck, focus on higher level stuff with lots of third-party libraries that integrate with…

Yeah, I know, I was just trying to show that I have a broad set of interests and enjoyed learning Go and C++. I use "rclone" for most of the backup-related things.