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Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving cars

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Re: Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving cars

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Post by georgespencer »

charlesism wrote: post #293
georgespencer wrote: post #287

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> Considering they need to answer to, try to communicate with, and rely on, a bunch of Computer execs, and moreover execs primarily interested in the project for financial reasons... that's a list of 17 employees who are at high risk of burning out. The profile of Jonathan Ive in the New Yorker last year made it pretty clear that he was interested in the car because he hates his car. But tbh: car manufacturers are pr…

Part of me wants to rebut your points, but the tone is a bit of a bummer. Life's too short.

If you make facile generalisations in lieu of a nuanced argument you should expect people to react fairly badly. I didn't even get as far as the insanity of "no consumer wants to buy an Apple car".

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georgespencer wrote: post #311
charlesism wrote: post #293

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Part of me wants to rebut your points, but the tone is a bit of a bummer. Life's too short.

If you make facile generalisations in lieu of a nuanced argument you should expect people to react fairly badly. I didn't even get as far as the insanity of "no consumer wants to buy an Apple car".

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Post by [deleted] »

georgespencer wrote: post #311
charlesism wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of me wants to rebut your points, but the tone is a bit of a bummer. Life's too short.

If you make facile generalisations in lieu of a nuanced argument you should expect people to react fairly badly. I didn't even get as far as the insanity of "no consumer wants to buy an Apple car".

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Post by tinus_hn »

saagarjha wrote: post #209
MBCook wrote: post #145

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Sadly there's no way to disable having it power the TV off without also disabling the ability to control the TVs volume.

Funny, at times my Apple TV seems to do just that…though in my case it's probably just a bug.

For some TVs the power off signal is sent using infrared, surprisingly.

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Post by gajeam »

CharlesW wrote: post #71
gajeam wrote: post #65

I guess you never know with Apple but it just seems like a really crowded space for them to come into, especially if they insist on controlling the whole ecosystem like they do with their other products. First of all, it's a high price tag for them to get top talent in the area. Waymo, Uber, Tesla, Ford (and a dozen other car companies), and who knows how many start ups are all vying for the same pool of engineers. E…

> I guess you never know with Apple but it just seems like a really crowded space for them to come into… The iPhone entered a crowded phone market and now controls the vast majority of smartphone profits. There's really no such thing as market "saturation" when you can grow the market and eat old participants. > First of all, it's a high price tag for them to get top talent in the area. Apple has $250 billion in cash…

> There's really no such thing as market "saturation" when you can grow the market and eat old participants.

The car companies aren't making the same mistake that Microsoft and other old tech companies made with smartphones. They all see that autonomous vehicles are coming and they're doing their best to put out their own solutions. For them to "grow the market," they have to do AVs far better than everyone else. It's tough to imagine them doing that with Google working on this since 2009.

> Apple has $250 billion in cash, so this doesn't strike me as a huge concern.

It's an arms race to outspend in this area. Yes, they could muscle their way through, but only at a huge cost. And even then, employees could leave to start their own startups (see Faraday Futures, Otto, Argo AI, etc.)

> If Apple enters this market, they'll play by Apple's rules and give up virtually nothing

There are way more parts in building an autonomous vehicle than a mobile phone. This graphic [1] does a good job of getting into some of involved industries. Shareholders won't stand for them to sink money into reinventing the wheel (e.g. car components, vehicle to vehicle communication software, AI.)

[1] http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/rngs/SELFDRIVING-SUPPLI...

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Post by NicoJuicy »

DoctorNick wrote: post #302
NicoJuicy wrote: post #225

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I have the exact opposite feeling. Love Chromecast and don't care about Apple TV. Even if I open a torrent file on my laptop, it automatically starts streaming to the Chromecast. I'm honestly suprised that someone dares to say that the Chromecast isn't successful/usable Ps. I have 3 Chromecasts and 1 Chromecast audio

>Even if I open a torrent file on my laptop, it automatically starts streaming to the Chromecast. Wait, what? How did you set this up?

It's not that hard. Create a console application in Visual Studio ( it's a Windows Application).

The arguments are the default ones, that are triggerd when you "Open With" - Choose a program. You receive a filename

Then run a new console, which runs castnow ( https://github.com/xat/castnow ). And voila

PS. Can choose the wrong chromecast when there are 2 devices in the network :p

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Post by weaksauce »

peregrine wrote: post #126
weaksauce wrote: post #113

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to be fair, the apple tv remote is fantastic and it's better than any other remote i have used for the common features. (i do wish it had a tv power button though since it can actuate the volume but i guess they wanted to go with the standard that shuts down the tv when you shut off the apple tv if your tv supports it)

I've got just the apple support document for you! https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205225 If your TV supports HDMI features you will only ever need one remote.

I have a cheap and old tv that doesn't have that hdmi feature is the problem. to be fair, the tv is kinda off brand and doesn't have any mapping in those "universal" remotes so I have to keep the original remote around if I want to turn it off and on with it. kinda a pain.

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Post by komali2 »

Const-me wrote: post #307
wsinks wrote: post #284

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18-30 million people in Moscow... That's a big market!

Average salary in Moscow is $14000/year.

Never said they had to own the smart driving car. Lots of people riding public transit out there.

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Post by slededit »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #261
adamlett wrote: post #191

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That's a ridiculous statement when you don't qualify it with the price at which you would(n't) buy. I am sure Apple would love to own Tesla too, but Tesla shares a very expensive compared to other car companies'. And if Apple were to attempt a hostile takeover, they would have to pay even more. And what exactly would Apple get? Tesla has a fantastic brand, but so does Apple themselves. Tesla has some ability to mass…

Buying Tesla would be insane for Apple but bying Ford wouldn't be much less insane. Ford has a huge existing product range that Apple cannot really shape but would still have to support. If Apple needs auto manufacturing/design know-how they should look at a small company like Volvo or Jaguar.

Ford is tightly owned by the Ford family who control 40% of voting rights in the company. They are unlikely to want to sell or relinquish that control.

Theoretically it would be possible to buy the company without their support - but it would be extremely costly and unlikely.

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Post by legolas2412 »

marze wrote: post #156
chrismealy wrote: post #138

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At least we have each other. Honestly, I am completely baffled that people who write software think self-driving cars are just around the corner. At this point I think it's basically a futurist cult.

99% of situations are the "easy" part. It is the last 1% that will take a long time. Snow. Rain. Missing headlight. Etc.

Yeah, and you can easily handle driver negligence in the easy part with always-on driver assistance. Plus it's unacceptable to allow humans away from the steering wheel when they are needed 1% of the time.

This is assuming that "self-driving cars" isn't just another name for driver assistance packages and is actually level 5 autonomy (which a few of my friends believe will be on the road this year with Tesla model 3)

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