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TV May Die Soon

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Re: TV May Die Soon

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AM radio hasn't died yet. Heck, books haven't died yet. New media doesn't always kill old media.

The following is NOT about USA: Some lobbying very hard in various countries to introduce digital radio. When you look up the implementation details, it would be pretty bad idea to stop analog radio. Now some countries already mandate that radio in new cars and also try to mandate that all new sold radio in those countries are digital radio. It's absurde as people listen less and less radio, and analog radio has a lo…

The biggest issue is, even when you have clear signal conditions, even if you're dialed into a channel that is broadcasting HE-AACv2 (aka HE-ACC+ or eACC+) and your radio decodes it natively as HE-ACCv2... it's still a goddamned 128kbit or less stream.

Arguably, this is worse quality than ye olde FM on average. I mean, I could get behind a transition if they were using Opus instead of a nearly decade old hack of an even older codec... but they're not.

Thank God we're not making this mistake in the US, and digital radio in this form has been rejected: people instead are either adopting SiriusXM or phones+BT playing mixed online/offline content.

TBH I'd rather knock down all the US radio towers, reclaim all of the AM and FM radio space, and deploy 802.16? 802.11ah? something and provide low bandwidth but freeish Internet.

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We keep getting "TV is dead/dying/will live forever" stories on HN. tl;dr of all of them is essentially: TV, as a non-time-shifted non-live broadcast medium, is dead: Netflix et al, Youtube, Torrent, and at the very least, DVRs, killed it; people watch non-live content how they want, when they want, frequently choosing to just "Netflix binge" it. TV, as a live broadcast medium (eg, emergency news), will never die in…

News papers and radio stations still survive in their own niches, TV will be just fine.

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If Net Neutrality goes away TV will thrive. This battle is far from over.

I think you are absolutely right, and it has a lot to do with what is classified as television. Increasingly, television broadcasts are packet based digital content that is carried like other tcp/ip traffic. With adoption of DOCSIS 3.1, which will increase bandwidth for internet communications by dropping spectrum on coaxial cable devoted exclusively to streaming digital video, the definition of television will be fu…

You are dead on. The fight over net neutrality was always about video. Some of the early legislation proposed when the Democrats were running Congress was scarily (for the cable companies at least) close to forcing just the kind of "television unbundling" you describe. As you say, they're all packets in the end.

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We keep getting "TV is dead/dying/will live forever" stories on HN. tl;dr of all of them is essentially: TV, as a non-time-shifted non-live broadcast medium, is dead: Netflix et al, Youtube, Torrent, and at the very least, DVRs, killed it; people watch non-live content how they want, when they want, frequently choosing to just "Netflix binge" it. TV, as a live broadcast medium (eg, emergency news), will never die in…

You can even claim that the same stuff was available via PPV at exorbitant prices, as in movies not the live stuff. Now it's available for nearly free. Yay capitalism!

Re: TV May Die Soon

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We keep getting "TV is dead/dying/will live forever" stories on HN. tl;dr of all of them is essentially: TV, as a non-time-shifted non-live broadcast medium, is dead: Netflix et al, Youtube, Torrent, and at the very least, DVRs, killed it; people watch non-live content how they want, when they want, frequently choosing to just "Netflix binge" it. TV, as a live broadcast medium (eg, emergency news), will never die in…

And the article says as much:

>"Traditional (linear) TV audiences are declining at a significant rate, and they are practically aged out of key demographics. Cable customers are also declining."

Note its qualifying the statement with the word "linear."

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post #24

We keep getting "TV is dead/dying/will live forever" stories on HN. tl;dr of all of them is essentially: TV, as a non-time-shifted non-live broadcast medium, is dead: Netflix et al, Youtube, Torrent, and at the very least, DVRs, killed it; people watch non-live content how they want, when they want, frequently choosing to just "Netflix binge" it. TV, as a live broadcast medium (eg, emergency news), will never die in…

You can even claim that the same stuff was available via PPV at exorbitant prices, as in movies not the live stuff. Now it's available for nearly free. Yay capitalism!

Blah, capitalism.

Re: TV May Die Soon

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Television isn't dying. Over the air TV though is on life support. Just like gas stations someday soon local TV stations will be ancient history.

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The following is NOT about USA: Some lobbying very hard in various countries to introduce digital radio. When you look up the implementation details, it would be pretty bad idea to stop analog radio. Now some countries already mandate that radio in new cars and also try to mandate that all new sold radio in those countries are digital radio. It's absurde as people listen less and less radio, and analog radio has a lo…

The biggest issue is, even when you have clear signal conditions, even if you're dialed into a channel that is broadcasting HE-AACv2 (aka HE-ACC+ or eACC+) and your radio decodes it natively as HE-ACCv2... it's still a goddamned 128kbit or less stream. Arguably, this is worse quality than ye olde FM on average. I mean, I could get behind a transition if they were using Opus instead of a nearly decade old hack of an e…

> ... it's still a goddamned 128kbit or less stream. Arguably, this is worse quality than ye olde FM on average.

I don't claim to be a "golden ears" or anything, but I find 64 kbps HE-AAC to offer better-than-FM quality. (HE-AACv2 benefits really only make sense at 48 kbps or lower.)

Hydrogenaudio tests showed that a good HE-AAC encoder does just slightly (imperceptibly) worse than Opus at 64 kbps[1].

[1] http://listening-test.coresv.net/results.htm

Re: TV May Die Soon

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post #27

Television isn't dying. Over the air TV though is on life support. Just like gas stations someday soon local TV stations will be ancient history.

What's the story with gas stations in the US? Are they dying out / being replaced by something else as well?

Re: TV May Die Soon

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The following is NOT about USA: Some lobbying very hard in various countries to introduce digital radio. When you look up the implementation details, it would be pretty bad idea to stop analog radio. Now some countries already mandate that radio in new cars and also try to mandate that all new sold radio in those countries are digital radio. It's absurde as people listen less and less radio, and analog radio has a lo…

The biggest issue is, even when you have clear signal conditions, even if you're dialed into a channel that is broadcasting HE-AACv2 (aka HE-ACC+ or eACC+) and your radio decodes it natively as HE-ACCv2... it's still a goddamned 128kbit or less stream. Arguably, this is worse quality than ye olde FM on average. I mean, I could get behind a transition if they were using Opus instead of a nearly decade old hack of an e…

That's the way I feel about broadcast television. At some point there are just better uses for the spectrum.
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