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How many jobs really require college?

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Re: How many jobs really require college?

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If your job doesn't require college, then pretty soon it won't require a human either. The more brain required the longer you have until a robot or computer can do it better.

this is a bimodal distribution. my plumber/electrician/mechanic and my investment banker/lawyer aren't going to be replaced by robots any time soon.

Your investment banker might be replaced sooner than your plumber.

Re: How many jobs really require college?

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If your job doesn't require college, then pretty soon it won't require a human either. The more brain required the longer you have until a robot or computer can do it better.

That is one of the point the article argues against: thinking a college education is required to be highly skilled is confusing cause and effect. Especially for programming, the most important skills are acquired either through self-study or on-the-job training, making a formal 4 year program a waste of money, time and productivity.

Re: How many jobs really require college?

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Very few. I think it's much more a matter of job culture and a bit of red queen (useless arms race) competition that has brought on this situation. Probably with a sprinkling of politicians wanting to be able to say that "in my country 50% of high school students go on to university" when they hob nob at international conferences. In almost all white collar jobs the apprenticeship model would work just fine, but that…

The litmus test is pretty straightforward: Will the law come down on you if you do the job without a degree? If yes, the job requires it. Otherwise, it does not.

Re: How many jobs really require college?

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The solution is to be long in anti-fragile assets such as bitcoins and gold. If approximately everybody else is getting it wrong about degrees, the economy and the value of its fragile assets, especially paper money, will shrink systematically, while my assets will keep gaining value. In that sense, it is better to encourage most other people to get it wrong. Hence, they should get MORE useless degrees and saddle themselves with MORE stupid and MORE enormous student loans. That is what will eventually sink the boat completely and make me more money.

Re: How many jobs really require college?

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If your job doesn't require college, then pretty soon it won't require a human either. The more brain required the longer you have until a robot or computer can do it better.

You ironically couldn't be more wrong and you are looking at this the wrong way.

A cleaning lady is going to be able to keep her job longer than a radiologist as the radiologist requires mostly the ability to understand visual patterns where as a cleaning lady requires general purpose AI.

It's way harder to lift the rug, get in between the books etc.

Furthermore you get it wrong.

Specialization requires knowledge yes but mostly requires less of the brain. A cleaning lady have to use all sorts of different parts to do their jobs.

So your rule is right in some way but you apply the wrong people to it. It's the cleaning lady who uses most of her brain not the specialist.

Re: How many jobs really require college?

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post #2

If your job doesn't require college, then pretty soon it won't require a human either. The more brain required the longer you have until a robot or computer can do it better.

More likely it's the other way around. Most jobs requiring college education are actually pretty simple, and I think the next wave of AI powered automation will replace many of them.

Meanwhile, it will take longer for people to build robots for each particular manual job. Not to mention the service industry where a lot of people prefer to deal with other humans, even when it wouldn't be necessary.

Re: How many jobs really require college?

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I think the author of this post is making the same mistake that a lot of other people (particularly smart folks) make whenever they are thinking about the ills of modern education system and what can be done to improve it. Like Peter Thiel and others, I don't think they understand how and why students are failing in classrooms today. Take for example the author's suggestions on how school systems can be improved: Cre…

Aren't apprenticeship contracts functionally slavery? You think free money will be abused, but this won't be?

Re: How many jobs really require college?

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If your job doesn't require college, then pretty soon it won't require a human either. The more brain required the longer you have until a robot or computer can do it better.

Arguably many jobs that require a degree are still nothing more than desk work that can be automated with relative ease.

Re: How many jobs really require college?

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post #7

I think the author of this post is making the same mistake that a lot of other people (particularly smart folks) make whenever they are thinking about the ills of modern education system and what can be done to improve it. Like Peter Thiel and others, I don't think they understand how and why students are failing in classrooms today. Take for example the author's suggestions on how school systems can be improved: Cre…

Aren't apprenticeship contracts functionally slavery? You think free money will be abused, but this won't be?

Slavery? More like paid education. The best possible education in many cases.
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