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Re: DeepBreath: Preventing angry emails with machine learning

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Post by mortehu »

Bartweiss wrote: post #41
Danihan wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at red lights as an example. Those are just primitive robots. Yet, when I'm sitting at an empty intersection at night, even though I have excellent, advanced sensors in my eyes, I'm not allowed to just run a red light. Red lights aren't just a "helpful warning." The robots already have the final say in that arena, because human law (for now) backs them up. It's not based on scary movies... primitive robots alrea…

> Red lights aren't just a "helpful warning." The town where I grew up has a red light which only changes when a weight sensor is tripped. But weight sensors are expensive, and the approaching two-lane road only has a sensor in one lane. Worse, it's calibrated for cars, so motorcycles never trip it. Yes, only . If you ride up late at night on a motorcycle, you have a choice between committing a serious traffic offens…

Are you sure it's a weight sensor? It's usually an inductive loop[1], which detects metal. They're usually supposed to detect motorcycles, but are sometimes incorrectly calibrated. I've been able to trigger most troublesome detectors by tilting my motorcycle while on top of it.

Some people also put magnets in their boots[2].

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_loop

2. http://www.instructables.com/id/Traffic-Light-Trigger-for-yo...

Re: DeepBreath: Preventing angry emails with machine learning

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Post by taberiand »

tyingq wrote: post #67
danieltillett wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't you zip up the .exe in an encrypted form and send the password? This is better anyway since even if gmail let the .exe go out the spam filter at the other end is likely to strip the .exe anyway.

They've gotten very clever about workarounds. See: http://imgur.com/a/y4Lxz Tried tar, gzip, even uuencode. Then taking "exe" out of the file name with the uuencoded version. Edit: Shell archive works! apt-get install sharutils;shar file.exe > file.exe.shar

Now to just get the recipient to use your chosen format...

Re: DeepBreath: Preventing angry emails with machine learning

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Post by tyingq »

taberiand wrote: post #72
tyingq wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've gotten very clever about workarounds. See: http://imgur.com/a/y4Lxz Tried tar, gzip, even uuencode. Then taking "exe" out of the file name with the uuencoded version. Edit: Shell archive works! apt-get install sharutils;shar file.exe > file.exe.shar

Now to just get the recipient to use your chosen format...

Shell archive is self extracting, though not on the desired OS :)

Re: DeepBreath: Preventing angry emails with machine learning

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Post by danieltillett »

taberiand wrote: post #72
tyingq wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've gotten very clever about workarounds. See: http://imgur.com/a/y4Lxz Tried tar, gzip, even uuencode. Then taking "exe" out of the file name with the uuencoded version. Edit: Shell archive works! apt-get install sharutils;shar file.exe > file.exe.shar

Now to just get the recipient to use your chosen format...

Just email them sharutils for windows [1] :)

1.http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/sharutils.htm

Re: DeepBreath: Preventing angry emails with machine learning

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Post by danieltillett »

tyingq wrote: post #67
danieltillett wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't you zip up the .exe in an encrypted form and send the password? This is better anyway since even if gmail let the .exe go out the spam filter at the other end is likely to strip the .exe anyway.

They've gotten very clever about workarounds. See: http://imgur.com/a/y4Lxz Tried tar, gzip, even uuencode. Then taking "exe" out of the file name with the uuencoded version. Edit: Shell archive works! apt-get install sharutils;shar file.exe > file.exe.shar

Very nice to know - I wonder how long this workaround will last.

Have you tried the -mhe option in 7zip?

Re: DeepBreath: Preventing angry emails with machine learning

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Post by mseebach »

oakwhiz wrote: post #4

I wonder if machine learning will lead to worsening of the echo-chamber problem. "Error: The message cannot be sent because it does not conform to accepted groupthink."

Groupthink is mostly a problem because it happens subconsciously. A group that actively wants its members to think a specific way has always had other means.

When you're (as the leadership of an organisation) actively installing a filter, I think you'd be quite more likely to install the filter that would say "Error: The message cannot be sent because it merely reinforces the majority viewpoint and does not add new information to the conversation."

Re: DeepBreath: Preventing angry emails with machine learning

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Post by [deleted] »

Danihan wrote: post #12
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #6

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Anytime someone has a scary thought about ML it all comes down to control problems - eg. the machine having the final say about what happens without human being able to override it. In gmail now, if you say "attached" in your email but don't attach something, you can still send the message, it just gives you a warning. You're consistently shown improved interfaces and content because of ML, yet those aren't scary and…

Look at red lights as an example. Those are just primitive robots. Yet, when I'm sitting at an empty intersection at night, even though I have excellent, advanced sensors in my eyes, I'm not allowed to just run a red light. Red lights aren't just a "helpful warning." The robots already have the final say in that arena, because human law (for now) backs them up. It's not based on scary movies... primitive robots alrea…

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Re: DeepBreath: Preventing angry emails with machine learning

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Post by bauerd »

Danihan wrote: post #12
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anytime someone has a scary thought about ML it all comes down to control problems - eg. the machine having the final say about what happens without human being able to override it. In gmail now, if you say "attached" in your email but don't attach something, you can still send the message, it just gives you a warning. You're consistently shown improved interfaces and content because of ML, yet those aren't scary and…

Look at red lights as an example. Those are just primitive robots. Yet, when I'm sitting at an empty intersection at night, even though I have excellent, advanced sensors in my eyes, I'm not allowed to just run a red light. Red lights aren't just a "helpful warning." The robots already have the final say in that arena, because human law (for now) backs them up. It's not based on scary movies... primitive robots alrea…

>The robots already have the final say in that arena, because human law (for now) backs them up.

But traffic lights don't "have a say", they're put up and have their mechanics defined by humans. Neither does electronic time recording have a say on how many hours of work are required for an employee to get a paycheck.

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