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Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving cars

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Re: Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving cars

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Post by intrasight »

dcwca wrote: post #11
salimmadjd wrote: post #8

Of all the SV tech giants (obviously Tesla excluded), Apple has the best DNA to build cars. They know how manufacture in scale. They know how build a vertical product. They have the cash to do it and they have a strong brand. But most importantly, if the world moves to a car-sharing car-hailing model of autonomous cars. Ultimately, it becomes a consumer mobile play. This is where both Google and Apple own that experi…

> Apple has the best DNA to build cars. They know how to manufacture in scale. Something tells me shipping your phones off to be built by other people in China and building your own auto assembly factories from scratch are two completely separate things.

They are completely separate. And you point is what?

Apple would likely do cars the way they do phones. So one of the barriers they will crack is Chinese-made cars being sold in the USA. And as a result, I expect that Apple's margins on cars will be triple those of North American manufacturers.

Re: Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving cars

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Post by jacquesm »

tsomctl wrote: post #92
jacquesm wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure that's correct. The self driving car should have stayed in its lane because an accident between two cars is preferable to an accident between a cyclist and a car, especially if the cyclist is not otherwise involved. Self driving cars should protect the weaker traffic participants, not use their space as a 'get out of the way' option if that space is occupied.

Not entirely sure, but my point was that the accelerating and sudden deacceleration was a dick move.

Absolutely but your friend may have exposed a pretty dangerous bug in the software of that self driving vehicle.

Re: Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving cars

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Post by ghaff »

old-gregg wrote: post #82
datguacdoh wrote: post #55

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Articles like http://www.recode.net/platform/amp/2016/6/10/11904942/google... seem to point to Apple TV being easily outsold by Amazon and Google.

During 2015-16 I was given 3 or 4 opportunities to get a free Chromecast, and I got one. It sits barely used now, in one of the rarely visited HDMI inputs on my TV. I wonder how many of those "sold" devices were actually given away and forgotten. Chromecast cannot possibly be considered usable by most because it follows a weirdo, google-style, controlled-by-the-browser (but only Chrome) model. It is the most absurd w…

I find Chromecast to be pretty much the perfect model for displaying content on TVs. Put the intelligence in the device, not the TV.

I wish that more tablet and phone apps supported it. But then I always have the browser fallback when they don't.

Apple TV is OK and I have one. But I prefer to display stuff the way I'm already accustomed to doing so and then cast it to my TV when I want to.

Re: Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving cars

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Post by [deleted] »

salimmadjd wrote: post #8

Of all the SV tech giants (obviously Tesla excluded), Apple has the best DNA to build cars. They know how manufacture in scale. They know how build a vertical product. They have the cash to do it and they have a strong brand. But most importantly, if the world moves to a car-sharing car-hailing model of autonomous cars. Ultimately, it becomes a consumer mobile play. This is where both Google and Apple own that experi…

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Re: Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving cars

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Post by ghaff »

old-gregg wrote: post #95
jorvi wrote: post #91

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Inebriated on that Apple kool-aid I see. I think 90% of the stuff me and my friends play on the Chromecast is initiated by the Netflix or YouTube app, where all I have to do is tap a button. You know what else is great? If we're chilling with multiple people, I don't exclude 80% of them from controlling or playing anything by having an Apple TV. Fancy that, the Chromecast is actually a simpeler, more useable product…

Hold on, how do you let 80% of people to control Chromecast? If anything's it's not controllable by anyone by default because nobody happens to lug around a laptop with a pre-installed chrome extension. I haven't used Android for a while, but on my last Nexus phone Chromecast wasn't useful for anything other than Youtube.

For things like Netflix or HBO, I just cast from the iPhone app.

Re: Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving cars

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Post by gregpilling »

mikestew wrote: post #79
bsbechtel wrote: post #57

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Dealing with Apple Store level service for a car that needs regular maintenance isn't going to fly. Imagine waiting 2+ hours for an oil change entry three months.

Dude, the car is self-driving , why are you waiting for it to get its oil changed?

Agreed, also why would it need oil changes since it would most likely be electric? Scheduled maintenance is a very occasional thing in electric vehicles.

Re: Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving cars

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Post by [deleted] »

old-gregg wrote: post #95
jorvi wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Inebriated on that Apple kool-aid I see. I think 90% of the stuff me and my friends play on the Chromecast is initiated by the Netflix or YouTube app, where all I have to do is tap a button. You know what else is great? If we're chilling with multiple people, I don't exclude 80% of them from controlling or playing anything by having an Apple TV. Fancy that, the Chromecast is actually a simpeler, more useable product…

Hold on, how do you let 80% of people to control Chromecast? If anything's it's not controllable by anyone by default because nobody happens to lug around a laptop with a pre-installed chrome extension. I haven't used Android for a while, but on my last Nexus phone Chromecast wasn't useful for anything other than Youtube.

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Re: Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving cars

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Post by gregpilling »

intrasight wrote: post #98
11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #39

In some markets, it is more about getting it right than getting in at the right time. We've seen many carcasses of products that were ahead of their time, not because they were bad ideas but because they were not formulated for mass adoption. Apple's own Newton is one example. It took the iPhone formulation to make the product features successful in the market. A more recent example is the telepresence robot. Many en…

"There aren't many really big tech markets left." You know of course that this statement has been uttered for a couple thousand years.

Eccl 1-9 "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.”

Re: Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving cars

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Post by icantdrive55 »

shouldbworking wrote: post #72
salimmadjd wrote: post #26

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Take the precision by which apple makes watches, laptops or iPhones. They can scale the size up and with the same precision margins you'll get the car parts. You get BMW or someone else to source you the electric motor. And you just need to manufacture the body the interior part and put in your software. Obviously it's a lot more complex than this. But Apple could easily hire 10-20 people from car industry to fill th…

I think this is a troll comment, but if not I ask you to simply look underneath your car. Any auto made in the last 20 years is incredibly complex. The biggest advancement has been hiding all that complexity. I have swapped engines and welded cars together, so this is coming from experience. Every car has many sensors, sometimes more than 100. All these sensors feed into enormously complex software state machines wri…

Yea, but most of those sensors are needed to get that fossil fuel to burn efficiently, and meet emission mandates.

Electric cars would/could be vastly simpler. Simpler if they don't over engineer the vechicles. The current electric vechicles do nothing for me. I hate vechicles that I can't work on.

My hope is Apple builds a simple, open source, except the assisted driving, vechicle. A vechicle that a weekend mechanic could work on? Something like a 80's Toyota. Just a people mover, that lasts.

My fear is they will build a mac book pro on wheels. I've been told the last thing a buyer cares about is the ability/ease of repair. I just don't get it. I don't like things I can't easily repair.

There will be the day when the good job goes bye bye. Plus, there's a freedom knowing you have a chance at repairing something youself when that warranty goes bye bye?

I would love Apple again if they built a practical electric car. Put a few bells, and whistles in it, but don't it impossible to repair.

Re: Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving cars

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Post by Bud »

bsbechtel wrote: post #57
11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #39

In some markets, it is more about getting it right than getting in at the right time. We've seen many carcasses of products that were ahead of their time, not because they were bad ideas but because they were not formulated for mass adoption. Apple's own Newton is one example. It took the iPhone formulation to make the product features successful in the market. A more recent example is the telepresence robot. Many en…

Dealing with Apple Store level service for a car that needs regular maintenance isn't going to fly. Imagine waiting 2+ hours for an oil change entry three months.

This user clearly is a troll and has basically no experience with actual service at the Apple Store, which consistently has the highest marks for service among all retail stores.
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