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Princeton’s Ad-Blocker May Put an End to the Ad-Blocking Arms Race

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Re: Princeton’s Ad-Blocker May Put an End to the Ad-Blocking Arms Race

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post #43

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Don't mean to jump on you, but yesterday you posted with the interesting fact that you'd never heard of SWOT before. Maybe hang back a bit more next time? Maybe do some Googling so you don't come off like "I'm 12 years old and what is this?"

I really hadn't heard of SWOT.

Did we need to know that? Is it an interesting discussion topic?

Re: Princeton’s Ad-Blocker May Put an End to the Ad-Blocking Arms Race

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That is a pretty clever attack and I think the reasoning is pretty solid, if the FTC requires that humans can 'tell' that something is an Ad then a machine learning algorithm can too.

I'd love to see how effective this is on a Google page like a search for 'free credit card'. The last time I checked that query had exactly 1 organic result on the page, and if this worked as described you'd get a google page with just one result. That would be kind of amusing in its own way.

Re: Princeton’s Ad-Blocker May Put an End to the Ad-Blocking Arms Race

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I can see it now... "Advertisements are a form of free speech. Corporations are people too."

Advertisements are a form of free speech. 6 vs 3 Supreme Court " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorrell_v._IMS_Health_Inc . "

>Advertisements are a form of free speech.

...that can be regulated:

"After passage of the billboard-regulating Highway Beautification Act of 1965, Vermont moved to ban billboards outright in 1968. All billboards were gone from Vermont by 1974. Vermont is one of four states to have prohibited by law all billboards from view of highway rights-of-way, except for signs on the contiguous property of the business location."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Vermont#Conservati...

Re: Princeton’s Ad-Blocker May Put an End to the Ad-Blocking Arms Race

#114
I thought this was hacker news. If you dont want something to be downloaded to your computer restrict your computer from downloading it. If you dont know how to do this then learn so. This cannot be stopped.

At the point it can be stopped the computer you have is no longer your computer. Like when the car you have is being driven by a computer and Tesla does not allow you to do self maintenance it is no longer your car.

So dont buy computers that restrict you from full access to the software (I dont think this has been done yet). And dont buy Tesla cars. Unless you like the product and dont mind renting or dont value complete ownership.

Re: Princeton’s Ad-Blocker May Put an End to the Ad-Blocking Arms Race

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So circumspect are they. There's as much of an 'ethical dilemma' here as there's a climate change debate. In other words, there's the truth and then there's a ton of wishful thinking & misinformation trying to sound legitimate.

"A lie ain't a side of the story."

Re: Princeton’s Ad-Blocker May Put an End to the Ad-Blocking Arms Race

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post #17

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How does HN pay the server bills, etc.? Is it essentially paid for as a marketing / recruiting aid out of ycombinator funds? Or is it a charity paid for by PG?

> How does HN pay the server bills, etc.? I believe it's two relatively simple servers running the Arc code of HN, and Cloudflare as CDN. HN does not need much processing power or bandwidth - 5 assets (cacheable+versioned CSS/JS, three tiny gifs) and thanks to gzip usually two-digit KB sizes of content. The only real expense is the manpower needed for moderation.

> The only real expense is the manpower needed for moderation.

dang, who would want to do that as their job?

Re: Princeton’s Ad-Blocker May Put an End to the Ad-Blocking Arms Race

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post #75

Just change the alpha values in the `coverContainer` function in `utils.js` and it actually blocks ads. Patched `utils.js`: https://pastebin.com/YLyN2uJ8

Covering is not as good as not loading.

Loading brings all the malware, the tracking, and the bandwidth/load times.

Re: Princeton’s Ad-Blocker May Put an End to the Ad-Blocking Arms Race

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post #107

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This is the reason why in the USA you will see commercials for medications ("Ask your doctor about XYZ; you know, instead of letting your doctor decide what's best.")

Is it really, so why they don't advertise cigarettes?

Because - at least in the US - Tobacco advertising is specifically banned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Health_Cigarette_Smokin...

Re: Princeton’s Ad-Blocker May Put an End to the Ad-Blocking Arms Race

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You assume ads will be recognizable as such, but even today we have ads that few people recognize. From waves of reddit /r/funny posts about certain sitcoms or sugary beverages to product placements in articles, shows, films to magazine and news articles, not always recognizable as ads because often they are not actually ads but actual articles that only happen to mention some products. Very nice for publishers who g…

I am fine with ads that are subtle enough to pass by an AI guardian. What I want to kill is stuff that dominates the page space, can't be ignored, follows you down the page as you scroll, autoplays video, runs so many scripts that my cooling fan spins up to full speed... I don't object to the existence of advertising. I object to advertising that is intrusive and/or resource-intensive enough to impair site usability.…

My issue with advertisements is that they are designed to be manipulative, esp. emotionally. "Smart, young, beautiful people" buy this product - don't you want to be like them? The ads that are strictly informational ("This product exists, here is why!") typically don't make good advertisements or are so poorly done that they become a form of comedy.

Ads subtle enough to get past an "AI Guardian" mean they are meant to influence your behavior. That is my issue with advertisements and why I actively refuse to purchase products I'm introduced to through advertising.

E:

I'd like to clarify that by "make good advertisements" I mean as in the goal of advertisements (get people to buy) and not "good" as in "acceptable".

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