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Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by herdrick »

poutine wrote: post #70
turtle4 wrote: post #53

I can't believe that the demo isn't being run off of its own network. Seriously, if you can't get good reception inside, at least run your own dedicated wifi network. What were they thinking?

You don't understand WIFI. All WIFI devices share the same 2.4/5GHz bandwidth and thus if you have too many devices in one physical location you're screwed.

Sure, but why didn't they use directional antennas to get a demo-dedicated network on the stage? Which would be a good permanent feature for any big conference room come to think of it.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by mlinsey »

george_morgan wrote: post #51
crocowhile wrote: post #48

HD display and movies, 5MP camera, increased battery life, folders and multitasking, gyroscope... I have all this on the Nexus One and that is a 6 months old phone. I think this WWDC is signing the end of an era: jobs has lost his famous innovative advantage and now he is running behind. Android/HTC had these features in their last generation phones and with EVO coming out they are going to make the iPhone 4 obsolete…

The iPhone has never had the competitive advantage based on it’s feature count.

Really? The original iPhone had a competitive advantage based on a "real" webkit-based browser, visual voicemail, a large multitouch display, on-screen keyboard with good auto-correction...etc, etc. What smartphones had those features before the iPhone?

Those features are why I picked the iPhone as my first smartphone. Other features are making me strongly consider switching to an Android phone. I know the mantra here is "design is everything, feature count is unimportant", but I think that is an oversimplification. Design (really, usability) is more important than features, but once two products are roughly as usable, well-implemented features make a big difference. Clearly, Apple thinks that these features are important, otherwise it wouldn't be choosing to showcase them.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by tcskeptic »

jokermatt999 wrote: post #76
mclin wrote: post #55

Video chat. It's been available in asia for ~5 years? yet no one uses it. Will it be different in North America?

Smart phones were available in the US for ages before the iPhone, yet Jobs' and Apple's star power helped them to become more widespread. The whole "reality distortion field" can be used for good if it's to help spread adoption of interesting technologies, imo. I think the fact that it's coming from Apple will help adoption, even if the implementation is the same or even worse.

Really? The iPhone success is a result of a "reality distortion field"? That is essentially what you are saying, that it has all been a result of smoke 'n mirrors and "star power". But it hasn't. For all of the criticisms you can throw and Apple decisions, the iPhone has been truly revolutionary, and the biggest revolution has been that it is a smartphone that doesn't make the average person want to cry when trying to use it, in fact, it makes the average person giggle with pleasure. That isn't hype, it isn't a reality distortion field, it is the result of real, hard, work.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by crocowhile »

tvon wrote: post #64
crocowhile wrote: post #48

HD display and movies, 5MP camera, increased battery life, folders and multitasking, gyroscope... I have all this on the Nexus One and that is a 6 months old phone. I think this WWDC is signing the end of an era: jobs has lost his famous innovative advantage and now he is running behind. Android/HTC had these features in their last generation phones and with EVO coming out they are going to make the iPhone 4 obsolete…

I don't know how many times this has to be said, but a product is more than the sum of it's feature-grid checkboxes.

I am a not criticizing the iphone 4 per se; just saying that for the first time apple is coming out with something that does not have that "wow" factor; in fact a "meh" factor if you ask me. I add that I own a MBP, 2 ipods and I found the iPad interesting (for its wow factor again).

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by jokermatt999 »

mclin wrote: post #80
jokermatt999 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Smart phones were available in the US for ages before the iPhone, yet Jobs' and Apple's star power helped them to become more widespread. The whole "reality distortion field" can be used for good if it's to help spread adoption of interesting technologies, imo. I think the fact that it's coming from Apple will help adoption, even if the implementation is the same or even worse.

It's not smart phones that do this legacy video chat, it's 3G feature phones, which are pretty much non-existent in NA. Pretty much every [candybar, flip] phone in asia has 3G and a front facing camera, so you can video call anyone, anytime. Part of the reason people don't is because it costs extra. Actually since these phones were around before youtube and real mobile browsing, the main marketed reason to get a 3G p…

I honestly did not realize that the adoption of them was that widespread. Thank you for the correction, that definitely does make a difference to my post.

Still, don't you think that video chat at no extra cost will be a rather huge innovation? If part of the reason it isn't used is because of the cost, wouldn't make it free help that? I know that video calling isn't necessarily better in plenty of cases, so I don't think it will completely replace voice calls (at least not for a long, long time if at all), but the facts that it's

1) free and

2) has Apple behind it and

3) therefore tons of media hype behind it

will help usage (edit: changed from adoption make my meaning clearer) by a large margin?

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by evgen »

crocowhile wrote: post #69
houseabsolute wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You left out all the things you don't have on your Nexus One. An HD video camera, or any camera at all that captures at 30 fps. The Nexus One's display is lower resolution than the announced iPhone display, and some of the Nexus resolution is fake resolution from the novel pixel setup. Video calling. Guitar Hero, Netflix, and Farmville. iAd (you know that is going to be a draw for some developers). Universal copy and…

N1 has hd video at 20fps. display is better, ok. guitar hero, netflix and farmville I would not call them innovations. farmville is a way to overcome flash of course.

In that case my current iPhone has hd video at 1 fp5s. If it isn't at least 23.976 fps then it isn't hd video. Period.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by Daishiman »

crocowhile wrote: post #67
george_morgan wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The iPhone has never had the competitive advantage based on it’s feature count.

It's not matter of features count. It's matter of innovative features. Hardly anything innovative in this product.

Why is the parent being downvoted? It's true! This are just evolutionary improvements for some things and playing catch-up with others. Doesn't stop it from being a great product, but it's not the aweomest thing Steve wants you to believe.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by joezydeco »

enjo wrote: post #43
joezydeco wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the wifi is saturated because there are 500 people streaming photos and tweets from the hall. C'mon. Can't Apple just live stream these keynotes from here on out? Everyone on all sides knows these announcements are in the public sphere 250 milliseconds after Steve says it. For being so controlling of their media message, why let the bloggers run the final leg?

It's a really nice way to get a lot of really influential people on your side I'd think. By letting the media outlets have control over the dissemination of information it gives them a lot of incentive to stay on your good side (see: gizmodo not being invited to the keynote).

But the media outlets that really matter to Apple (Newsweek or WSJ/Mossberg for example) get access way before the launch so they can write their articles.
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