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U.S. Intelligence Analyst Arrested in Wikileaks Video Probe

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much more serious trouble could Manning get into? I'm not trying to be argumentative. It's a serious question. He had a very high security rating, and was dumping highly classified documents -- the work of tens of thousands of man hours and billions of dollars of intelligence -- on to the web. What's the next step past that? EDIT: wrong guy -- changed name to be what I meant and not what I typed

Accidentally publishing a document that creates a serious operational crisis, thus putting him in military prison for the rest of his life.

Accidentally publishing a document that causes an operational crisis is worse than purposely doing what he did?

Aside from the "accidentally" part, I don't know know could you prove that a particular document created an operational problem without knowing everything other people have to make decisions with and how they made them. I think with this standard of "worse" it's an extremely difficult thing to know with any certainty.

With the size of the information he dumped, I don't know how anybody would be able to walk back which operational problems he caused where. That's how intelligence works -- lots of little pieces making a case one way or another. Do we really want to have a trial that cross-references all TSSCI operations with the information in his leaks?

I understand that if there were operation X in which we knew enough about how it crashed that we could show it was a result of his action -- that might make a better legal case. But the amount of damage he's done isn't directly measurable like that. It's not like knocking over a liquor store. He didn't do less or more damage because it's more or less easily demonstrable. And I'm still trying to figure out how doing something accidentally -- without intent to harm -- is worse than doing something intentionally.

Re: U.S. Intelligence Analyst Arrested in Wikileaks Video Probe

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I think after this Lamo will probably not hear from any more people confessing crimes. Hard to say what the right course of action would be in this situation although if I were Lamo I probably would not voluntarily announce my participation in the investigation.

Lamo was kind of backed into a corner. Even aside from the moral issues (I personally would have turned in Manning; if you volunteer for a role where you will get classified data, you need to play by those rules!)

1) If SPC Manning was talking recklessly to Lamo, Lamo had to assume he was also talking to other people, and generally behaving recklessly. Manning was going to get caught. If Lamo didn't say anything, but Manning later was caught, it would be likely discovered that he'd confessed to Lamo as well. This would not be good for Lamo, especially if that information were not yet public knowledge. An investigator might suspect conspiracy, and might suspect Lamo had data -- he could then be subject to intelligence activity or law enforcement activity himself.

2) If he cooperated with authorities in secret, it's likely his involvement would become known later once the trial happened (or at any time of Manning's choosing). People who interacted with Lamo between his initial contact with Manning and the eventual disclosure would be afraid they had been compromised as well.

I think Lamo was in a difficult situation even if he didn't want to turn the guy in.

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accidentally publishing a document that creates a serious operational crisis, thus putting him in military prison for the rest of his life.

Accidentally publishing a document that causes an operational crisis is worse than purposely doing what he did? Aside from the "accidentally" part, I don't know know could you prove that a particular document created an operational problem without knowing everything other people have to make decisions with and how they made them. I think with this standard of "worse" it's an extremely difficult thing to know with any…

My subtext is that this kid was a moron. It's possible that the worst thing he's done is fed Assange a propaganda video. If so, be aware that the Washington Post had published more or less a transcript of that video a year before Assange took it on a media tour.

The "accident" I'm talking about is handing over documents without fully comprehending what their operational impact is. I'm not letting the kid off the hook here.

But you combine a moron, access to information, lax security policies, and Julian Assange and what you have is a recipe for something far worse than a PR black eye. And I doubt very highly that Assange was thinking too carefully about this dumb kid's welfare before publishing the stuff he was getting.

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accidentally publishing a document that causes an operational crisis is worse than purposely doing what he did? Aside from the "accidentally" part, I don't know know could you prove that a particular document created an operational problem without knowing everything other people have to make decisions with and how they made them. I think with this standard of "worse" it's an extremely difficult thing to know with any…

My subtext is that this kid was a moron. It's possible that the worst thing he's done is fed Assange a propaganda video. If so, be aware that the Washington Post had published more or less a transcript of that video a year before Assange took it on a media tour. The "accident" I'm talking about is handing over documents without fully comprehending what their operational impact is. I'm not letting the kid off the hook…

Agreed that it is a catastrophe all the way around.

Unfortunately, morons can kill people. I hope there are serious changes in the psych tests for these positions. People who are careless playing with explosives shouldn't be allowed around them -- but that doesn't make them any less dead when they go off.

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My subtext is that this kid was a moron. It's possible that the worst thing he's done is fed Assange a propaganda video. If so, be aware that the Washington Post had published more or less a transcript of that video a year before Assange took it on a media tour. The "accident" I'm talking about is handing over documents without fully comprehending what their operational impact is. I'm not letting the kid off the hook…

Agreed that it is a catastrophe all the way around. Unfortunately, morons can kill people. I hope there are serious changes in the psych tests for these positions. People who are careless playing with explosives shouldn't be allowed around them -- but that doesn't make them any less dead when they go off.

I think we are in violent agreement. My only point was that by turning him in, Lamo (who I am not sticking up for) may very well have saved his life, by disengaging the moron from an extremely hazardous situation that had him bridging a circuit between Julian Assange and the Department of Defense.

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The New Yorker had an interesting article about Wikileaks in the last issue: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/06/07/100607fa_fact_...

Addressing the decryption question, the author writes, "Assange, a cryptographer of exceptional skill, told me that unlocking the file was 'moderately difficult.'"

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post #9

Brad Manning violated the very core values of integrity involved in operating as an IA. In my opinion he doesn't deserve the 'whisteblower' status some people are trying to protect him under. Leaking a single controversial guncam footage because his conscience gave in is one thing, but continuing to leak documents and material and then boast about it to someone like Lamo is another. As a former Marine, I have seen an…

"I will never violate my own integrity by doing what Manning did and end up endangering more lives."

Has it ever occurred to you that sacrificing some more lives is not necessarily a bad thing? As far as I know, the U.S. invasion of Iraq was (highly) illegal. The U.S. citizens do not know what their military is doing, and do not care. The only deterrent preventing U.S. government from engaging in "nation-building" around the world is the political cost of a few hundreds / thousands of flag-draped caskets. Sometimes one must sacrifice a few to save many.

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> The video, he said, was an encrypted AES-256 ZIP file. Does this mean Assange broke the AES-256 encryption on a ZIP file in 6 months? I mean, I'm sure the password didn't have 256 bits of entropy, but dang that's scary!

I'm sure he just brute-forced the passphrase.
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