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Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

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Post by civilian »

huxley wrote: post #177
gadders wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't trust charities either. They have a vested interest in maintaining their world view in spite of contrary evidence. For instance, the banning of DDT in Africa despite the fact that using it to control malaria saves lives.

This is a zombie lie that never ever stops. You can't trust whatever psycho-website you got that misinformation from. DDT was NEVER banned for public health purposes in Africa or anywhere in the Developing World. It was restricted for use in agriculture to ensure --in part-- that it continued to be useful for public health. As far back as the late 1950s it was known that mosquitos easily developed resistance to DDT a…

Link? My mom believes this zombie lie (and I assumed it was true too?)

I suppose I can farm some of my own links, but if you have more please LMK!

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ddt-use-to-combat... (Article mentions that we are still using DDT in africa)

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140224204808.h... (a single mutation is required to for mosquitos to become DDT resistant)

Re: Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

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Post by ConfuciusSay02 »

abandonliberty wrote: post #32

I've been researching this. 1. Glyphosate (roundup) use is two orders of magnitude higher than originally approved. 2. Due to the emergence of glyphosate-resistant weeds, the dosage has been increased substantially. 3. It is now also usually combined with other compounds to increase effectiveness, which affects how it breaks down and affects both the food and environment. 4. It is now also used for 'green burndown'.…

Be prepared for the army of shills - this topic is one of the most targeted by shills.

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Post by coin »

sametmax wrote: post #84
alevskaya wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are many conflicts of interest in the world - organic farming is an industry too. e.g. at least one of those 14 experts is an active member of the organic industry and has long had a beef with the GMO industry: https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/glp-facts/charles-ben... As to the science: the original highly-questionable IARC determination has since been contested by both the European Chemical Agency and th…

Ockham's razor reasoning is that a gigantic profit driven structure with a huge lobbying activity, and high financial stakes should probably not be trusted with making the right choice between their business and our health. History tells it didn't work very well for us when the big guys said tobacco, asbestos, the Chernobyl cloud and PCBs were all safe and good. Given Monsanto's pretty poor moral track record (improp…

> Agent Orange

What's the issue with this? They (the former chemical company) were a DOD supplier.

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Post by ConfuciusSay02 »

alevskaya wrote: post #134
sametmax wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not arguing against the science, I'm arguing against the people. E.G: I think GMO have a fantastic potential. It's a powerful technology. And like any powerful technology, it has a huge potential of destruction as well. And I don't trust the people making money with it to take the necessary precautions to avoid a catastrophy. There are so many past and present events where money won over the benefit of the human…

You don't need to convince me of the potential malfeasance of US corporate interests - I grew up in West Virginia, a state that's more or less been run by the coal industry for a century. :) We should always remain vigilant of unappreciated risks, both health and ecological, from existing practices and chemicals. However, scientific studies are not cheap. In a world with an endless supply of serious problems, we have…

So you're advocating against long term human studies?

That's... odd.

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Post by ConfuciusSay02 »

adsfqwop wrote: post #131
alevskaya wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are many conflicts of interest in the world - organic farming is an industry too. e.g. at least one of those 14 experts is an active member of the organic industry and has long had a beef with the GMO industry: https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/glp-facts/charles-ben... As to the science: the original highly-questionable IARC determination has since been contested by both the European Chemical Agency and th…

Did you read the article? The court documents included Monsanto’s internal emails and email traffic between the company and federal regulators. The records suggested that Monsanto had ghostwritten research that was later attributed to academics and indicated that a senior official at the Environmental Protection Agency had worked to quash a review of Roundup’s main ingredient, glyphosate, that was to have been conduc…

No need to go through mental gymnastics, just call a spade a spade.

He's a shill, and the poisoning-our-food industry employs the most shills overall.

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Post by rplst8 »

cies wrote: post #98
sametmax wrote: post #93

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In France we had this wonderful scandal about donated blood that was provided by aids infected patients... but declared safe. It's been used to make transfusion to other people that were already plagued with hemophilia, so that they could really enjoy the benefit of having both diseases at the same time. I'm wondering what will be the next stuff like that. Will we learn in 30 years that milk is actually unhealthy and…

> Will we learn in 30 years that milk is actually unhealthy I do not know if you are joking, but we know for some time now that regular consumption of dairy as an adult human increases risk for many health complications. (similarly evidence builds up against meat and eggs for some time now) http://nutritionstudies.org/12-frightening-facts-milk/ http://www.peta.org/living/food/reasons-stop-drinking-milk/ http://www.pc…

No one's life can last forever. I'd like to enjoy mine eating cheese and having a glass of milk with cookies.

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Post by ConfuciusSay02 »

alevskaya wrote: post #118
sametmax wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ockham's razor reasoning is that a gigantic profit driven structure with a huge lobbying activity, and high financial stakes should probably not be trusted with making the right choice between their business and our health. History tells it didn't work very well for us when the big guys said tobacco, asbestos, the Chernobyl cloud and PCBs were all safe and good. Given Monsanto's pretty poor moral track record (improp…

I'm not asking you to believe anything from Monsanto. There is a vast field of researchers that care deeply about what causes cancer and what can be done to prevent and treat it. Most of us aren't for sale. There are sensitive, objective and simple tests for determining whether or not a compound causes genetic mutations in cells (Ames test). There are tests for whether or not a compound induces chromosome abnormaliti…

Note that this poster, Anselm Levskaya, did his post doc at Stanford, a university that receives hundreds of millions of dollars per year in "funding" from private (secret) sources, among them, companies like Monsanto and Cargill.

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Post by rhizome »

huxley wrote: post #177
gadders wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't trust charities either. They have a vested interest in maintaining their world view in spite of contrary evidence. For instance, the banning of DDT in Africa despite the fact that using it to control malaria saves lives.

This is a zombie lie that never ever stops. You can't trust whatever psycho-website you got that misinformation from. DDT was NEVER banned for public health purposes in Africa or anywhere in the Developing World. It was restricted for use in agriculture to ensure --in part-- that it continued to be useful for public health. As far back as the late 1950s it was known that mosquitos easily developed resistance to DDT a…

I think their argument is more along the lines of "Mother Teresa campaigned against the birth control that would have eased the poverty she based her career on."

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Post by rhizome »

0xfeba wrote: post #185
shriphani wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As Nicholas Taleb put it - stuff that is natural is time-tested. Food we've grown + consumed has a multi-millennium history of being safe to consume. The burden of proof is on the synthetic. And health issues can materialize with a time gap of a decade or so - essentially you can ruin a couple of generations with a mistake you didn't catch in time. It doesn't help when those who have to prove their validity have to r…

> Food we've grown + consumed has a multi-millennium history of being safe The food we consume now has little resemblance past a visual one (and even not that in some cases), to food of the past. Time-tested? Only in the past 60 years or so have we actually been able to begin to understand the effects of any food, natural or GMO. That our ancestors didn't keel over immediately after consuming these "same" foods does…

The food we consume now has little resemblance past a visual one (and even not that in some cases), to food of the past.

When did strawberries change?

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Post by finid »

cholantesh wrote: post #218
finid wrote: post #23

“We would be keeping the cost down by us doing the writing and they would just edit & sign their names so to speak,” Mr. Heydens wrote, citing a previous instance in which he said the company had done this. Science for sale. Shouldn't that Mr. Rowland guy be in jail?

When approached by a company to provide time and expertise dealing with a business problem, do you provide it for free?

This is like a judge (or a jury member) accepting a bribe from a prosecutor or a defense attorney. That's illegal.
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