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Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

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Re: Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

#91

Having held my mothers hand as she received chemo for her Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma I can tell you this... if there is a even a tiny chance using Roundup increases the risk of the disease it isn't worth it.

I'm sorry for your loss. But what if the alternatives are generations trapped in back breaking manual labour, or impoverished people starving?

Cost benefit calculations are rarely as obvious as they seem to those grieving the cost.

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#92
As a youngster I used to work PT while I was at Uni back in the 80's, taking care of a semi-rural parkland spread over 200 square miles. Every Spring, our workload would increase, slashing, clearing of weeds and blackberries. So Round-up was used. I told the boss no and refused to use it. The pesticide would be measured then added to the spray packs and the blokes would hand spray what ever needed to be knocked down. When they would slightly bend over, the air-relief valve would spit the spray out over their bare necks. After work was done they'd complain of dizziness.

Whenever I read about Monsanto now, I also think about Michael White and his fight to sell seed, [0] after a neighbour accidentally contaminating it with ^round-up ready^ seed. [1],[2]

So, F. Monsanto.

Reference

[0] "Why does Monsanto sue farmers who save seeds?" http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/pages/why-does-monsanto-su...

[1] Seeding Fear: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YZGueeao0tE

[2] http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/see-neil-youngs-monsa...

Re: Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

#93
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Ockham's razor reasoning is that a gigantic profit driven structure with a huge lobbying activity, and high financial stakes should probably not be trusted with making the right choice between their business and our health. History tells it didn't work very well for us when the big guys said tobacco, asbestos, the Chernobyl cloud and PCBs were all safe and good. Given Monsanto's pretty poor moral track record (improp…

Don't forget when Lead was claimed to be "safe" enough to put into gasoline - . -

In France we had this wonderful scandal about donated blood that was provided by aids infected patients... but declared safe. It's been used to make transfusion to other people that were already plagued with hemophilia, so that they could really enjoy the benefit of having both diseases at the same time.

I'm wondering what will be the next stuff like that.

Will we learn in 30 years that milk is actually unhealthy and that "got milk" was a blatant lie ?

Will we discover that too much computer activity reduce IQ while we all though we were getting so clever learning online ?

"Don't worry, teleportation is totally safe. We are absolutely not copying your body and destroying the original"

The future is going to be fun.

Re: Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

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Don't forget when Lead was claimed to be "safe" enough to put into gasoline - . -

In France we had this wonderful scandal about donated blood that was provided by aids infected patients... but declared safe. It's been used to make transfusion to other people that were already plagued with hemophilia, so that they could really enjoy the benefit of having both diseases at the same time. I'm wondering what will be the next stuff like that. Will we learn in 30 years that milk is actually unhealthy and…

I get to angry even thinking about it. Imagine your day job is to convince the public spreading poison globally is not dangerous only to make a marginal profit. And to give decision makers some excuse with some bullshit "proofs" that lets them stay "ignorant". Alot of enviormental issues comes to mind where this is happening today.

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#95

It's difficult to judge long term toxicity in humans. You don't immediately keel over and die when you smoke a cigarette, and the correlation between lung cancer and cigarettes needs a fully understandable cause. That's how the industry slipped by for years. Likewise, most European countries do not fluoridate their water and the correlation doesn't seem to show any significant difference in dental health. The anti-fl…

> You don't immediately keel over and die when you smoke a cigarette, My all-time favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpwcF3Malj8 To play devils advocate.. we will never prove if smoking truly cause cancer, unless we go back in time and look at the same person in the same circumstances only that he/she never smoked. And in all seriousness, my grandmother smoked all her life, from age of 16 all the way till she…

Did they autopsy her lungs? Also gold lung sounds like a pretty bad condition. You sure that didn't kill her?

Re: Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

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post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In France we had this wonderful scandal about donated blood that was provided by aids infected patients... but declared safe. It's been used to make transfusion to other people that were already plagued with hemophilia, so that they could really enjoy the benefit of having both diseases at the same time. I'm wondering what will be the next stuff like that. Will we learn in 30 years that milk is actually unhealthy and…

I get to angry even thinking about it. Imagine your day job is to convince the public spreading poison globally is not dangerous only to make a marginal profit. And to give decision makers some excuse with some bullshit "proofs" that lets them stay "ignorant". Alot of enviormental issues comes to mind where this is happening today.

There is cool movie about a guy having exactly this job: thank your for smoking (http://www.allocine.fr/film/fichefilm_gen_cfilm=58839.html). Great actors, and it's good from the beginning to the end.

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Have you ever been on a wheat farm? I actually have been and even got to help around the farm for fun. My friend had 4.5 squares. That is a square equals 1 square mile. How would we increase labor for weed control? I also lived in Imperial Valley, California. The back breaking work that the migrant workers did was amazing difficult. It would take double or triple the workers to pick through and weed a farm then pick…

As someone mentioned above, that's where robots come in.

On gantrys? on wheels between the wheat rows? driving over the wheat on that even ground? combine sized? How much placement / spacing do they need?

Re: Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

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post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget when Lead was claimed to be "safe" enough to put into gasoline - . -

In France we had this wonderful scandal about donated blood that was provided by aids infected patients... but declared safe. It's been used to make transfusion to other people that were already plagued with hemophilia, so that they could really enjoy the benefit of having both diseases at the same time. I'm wondering what will be the next stuff like that. Will we learn in 30 years that milk is actually unhealthy and…

> Will we learn in 30 years that milk is actually unhealthy

I do not know if you are joking, but we know for some time now that regular consumption of dairy as an adult human increases risk for many health complications. (similarly evidence builds up against meat and eggs for some time now)

http://nutritionstudies.org/12-frightening-facts-milk/

http://www.peta.org/living/food/reasons-stop-drinking-milk/

http://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/vegdiets/health-concerns-ab...

Re: Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

#100
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There is actually another option -- especially with respect to herbicides: manual labour. Herbicides don't increase yield. They decrease cost. Wheat is currently $4.35 a bushel. A bushel of wheat is about 60 lbs. So, we're paying just over 7 cents a pound for wheat. Fix the distribution side, not the production side. There's a lot more fat there. And in the mean time, research ways of reducing labour on physical meth…

Have you ever been on a wheat farm? I actually have been and even got to help around the farm for fun. My friend had 4.5 squares. That is a square equals 1 square mile. How would we increase labor for weed control? I also lived in Imperial Valley, California. The back breaking work that the migrant workers did was amazing difficult. It would take double or triple the workers to pick through and weed a farm then pick…

There are mechanical ways to fight weeds. You'd have to use the tractor and appropriate tools on the field a lot more, and you may end up to have to stop growing just one crop all years but instead cycle between different crops.
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